Who is "they've all" and exactly what have they been saying?My room temperature take comes from listening to what they've all been saying for nearly 10 years now...especially the last 3-4 years.
Who is "they've all" and exactly what have they been saying?My room temperature take comes from listening to what they've all been saying for nearly 10 years now...especially the last 3-4 years.
Yeah but they also represent schools that would be harmed by antitrust or other "legal avenues." I think you're reaching here. Even if some kind of intervention were attempted, do you think all Senators and Reps from these states would vote in favor?Relegated to some extent financially compared to the SEC/B10 but not near to the extent where the majority of existing B12/ACC schools are facing annual payout cuts of 50%-75% starting in 2031 if ESPN and Fox have their way.
25-30 schools facing relegation, many with Republican Senate/House representation including Iowa, will be enough to spur intervention whether it be via anti-trust or other legal avenues, especially when millions are being left on the table due to ESPN/Fox control of the sport for their sole financial benefit. Hell, even Sankey and Pettit acknowledge the pending anti-trust threat given the attendance of anti-trust lawyers at their recent meetings.
What is the conventional wisdom on this?
Am I an idiot to think the continued existence of the ACC as a “power” conference is good for the Big 12?
If the SEC and Big 10 were to strip it of its “brand name” schools wouldn’t the perception of a P2 be strengthened?
The conference champion bye would almost certainly go away. A 13-0 Big 12 champion is probably still playing a true road game, and a 10-3 champ is going to be sweating the outcome of the MWC, AAC, and Sun Belt title games most years.
Kinda this, most of Congress either is from Ivy leagues or those big schools that wouldn’t be affected. There is almost zero chance of federal intervention for realignment.Yeah but they also represent schools that would be harmed by antitrust or other "legal avenues." I think you're reaching here. Even if some kind of intervention were attempted, do you think all Senators and Reps from these states would vote in favor?
Alabama
Arkansas
California
Florida
Georgia
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kentucky
Louisiana
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Nebraska
New York
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Washington
Wisconsin
So what do you think it means to be the clear #3?Trying to prevent the P2 from getting stronger is very likely a fools errand imo. Making certain the Big 12 survives, and survives as the clear #3 are the foremost objectives
Ideally this path of P5 to P3 would have been a step change. Reconfiguration as much as realignment.
IMO the wisdom is that the ACC GOR is not for perpetuity. If it doesn’t get marginalized now, it will as soon as its GOR is closer to expiring.
The question is will the ACC first marginalize the Big 12? If this February ESPN locks in on 17 ACC schools at $30 to $40 million through 2036, with continued loss of cable subscribers, it will be very difficult for the Big 12 to not undergo more losses at the end of our current deal.
In that event, when the Big 12 goes to ask for more linear money, it will be cheaper for espn to move top brands to ACC and lower pay on rest of Big 12.
It won’t be good that’s for sureSo what do you think it means to be the clear #3?
Bingo. We are in a race for the bronze, and the feds aren't stepping in on any of this. It is us or the ACC, better be ready to do what it takes to make sure we are the ones left standing when it goes down.Trying to prevent the P2 from getting stronger is very likely a fools errand imo. Making certain the Big 12 survives, and survives as the clear #3 are the foremost objectives
Ideally this path of P5 to P3 would have been a step change. Reconfiguration as much as realignment.
IMO the wisdom is that the ACC GOR is not for perpetuity. If it doesn’t get marginalized now, it will as soon as its GOR is closer to expiring.
The question is will the ACC first marginalize the Big 12? If this February ESPN locks in on 17 ACC schools at $30 to $40 million through 2036, with continued loss of cable subscribers, it will be very difficult for the Big 12 to not undergo more losses at the end of our current deal.
In that event, when the Big 12 goes to ask for more linear money, it will be cheaper for espn to move top brands to ACC and lower pay on rest of Big 12.
So what do you think it means to be the clear #3?
If this happens we will be considered closer the G5 and the rest than the P2, imo.IMO it means cooperating with P2 and networks to liquidate ACC (by taking as many ACC leftovers as possible) in exchange for being the only other conference to get auto berths.
AKA, be the “other guy” at the top. That’s a role. Being one of multiple other guys isn’t a role as much as being in the “other” level
We can’t really narrow the gap with P2, but we can widen the gap between Big 12 and everyone else
Oh they will host hearings and make all kinds of publicity that they are "doing something" when its all show.Kinda this, most of Congress either is from Ivy leagues or those big schools that wouldn’t be affected. There is almost zero chance of federal intervention for realignment.
Yeah the feds aren’t getting involved man
If this happens we will be considered closer the G5 and the rest than the P2, imo.
So do you think the ACC raids the Big 12? The only way, in my opinion, that the Big 12 ceases to exist is if they raid us and the only way for the Big 12 to “gain some ground” is to acquire FSU, Clemson, Miami, and take your pick of a 4th.That happens regardless, and arguably we already are. Boise State getting a better seed than ASU for example.
Moreover, worrying about the gap to the rest is better than not existing, particularly for certain Big 12 schools.
The only way to add distance is to the rest is to consolidate the best of the rest. Liquidate ACC
There's no way the ACC raids the Big 12. The ACC will be picked apart once it becomes $$$ feasible the closer we get to the end of their GoR. They're the only one that has the big(ish) brands that the SEC and B1G would want.... FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, etc. The ACC isn't going to be in any position to do anything to the Big 12, probably will be the opposite IMO.So do you think the ACC raids the Big 12? The only way, in my opinion, that the Big 12 ceases to exist is if they raid us and the only way for the Big 12 to “gain some ground” is to acquire FSU, Clemson, Miami, and take your pick of a 4th.
No traction will be gained by adding Pitt, Louisville, Duke, and those types of schools.
So do you think the ACC raids the Big 12? The only way, in my opinion, that the Big 12 ceases to exist is if they raid us and the only way for the Big 12 to “gain some ground” is to acquire FSU, Clemson, Miami, and take your pick of a 4th.
No traction will be gained by adding Pitt, Louisville, Duke, and those types of schools.
Well that could potentially be a disaster for usMaybe the top half of each league get together to create a new conference to compete with the P2 and drop some of the dead weight? This is far fetched and the lawyers would make a lot of money off of this attempt, but with private equity getting involved, I don’t see anything as impossible.
Well that could potentially be a disaster for us
That’s why I responded how and why the Big 12 would ever cease to exist. We don’t have any brands left to leave. If anything we would just keep getting smaller and smaller media deals and be obsolete.There's no way the ACC raids the Big 12. The ACC will be picked apart once it becomes $$$ feasible the closer we get to the end of their GoR. They're the only one that has the big(ish) brands that the SEC and B1G would want.... FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, etc. The ACC isn't going to be in any position to do anything to the Big 12, probably will be the opposite IMO.
For the millionth time….attendance has zero bearing on realignment . None. Zip. Nada.I could make an argument that we’d be in the top 16 of a combined league. Winning more and having good TV and attendance numbers certainly doesn’t hurt.
The following 21 states are all directly impacted by potential relegation and/or separation:Yeah but they also represent schools that would be harmed by antitrust or other "legal avenues." I think you're reaching here. Even if some kind of intervention were attempted, do you think all Senators and Reps from these states would vote in favor?
Alabama
Arkansas
California
Florida
Georgia
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maryland
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Nebraska
New Jersey
New York
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Washington
Wisconsin