Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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Arguably, the biggest thing that hurt the Big 12 was Texas not being able to lure away Saban when they forced out Mack

That hurts the SEC, and instead brings titles to the Big 12’s most important brand

As long as the Big 12 had OUT, it was staving off the P2 era. Nebraska and A&M nice to have, but the Big 12 outlasts the PAC and ACC as the 3 in a true P3, as long as it has OUT.

We now know that espn didn’t want a real P3, certainly not a P5. The ACC agreed to delay their death blow in 2021 by giving espn more time on the option
Good points and a fascinating what if. Saban probably does get Bama rolling and fixes the culture.

I just think Texas is a poison pill to everything they touch. They’ll throw their weight around the SEC before long
 

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My doomsday scenario for the current P2 model is if SEC schools want to remove many of the academic requirements for eligibility. The athletes will be making large sums and decide they do not need college classes / degree. The B10 has always maintained they were not interested in a model like that. It could cause a split between the two P2 powers.
Agree. And it sounds like something as simple as the SEC refusing to go to 9 conference games would cause a split. There's no way the B1G agrees to any kind of scheduling alliance if they're schools are playing 9 conference games and the SEC keeps only playing 8.
 

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Good points and a fascinating what if. Saban probably does get Bama rolling and fixes the culture.

I just think Texas is a poison pill to everything they touch. They’ll throw their weight around the SEC before long
Or if saban would have just stayed at the first P5 program that hired him as a HC lol
 
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Or if saban would have just stayed at the first P5 program that hired him as a HC lol
Why not go back a little further and build up future B1G member and multiple BCS champion Toledo? :jimlad:

He probably does take MSU to high highs. Would you rather have Saban’s What if or Dantonio’s known achievements?
 

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Why not go back a little further and build up future B1G member and multiple BCS champion Toledo? :jimlad:

He probably does take MSU to high highs. Would you rather have Saban’s What if or Dantonio’s known achievements?
Oh dantonio easily, when saban was around I wasn’t close to going to college yet let alone a Sparty fan.
 
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I mean who knows what happens to the Dolphins if they give Saben Drew Brees like he wanted instead of Culpepper. And if Ricky Williams passed his drug test and they drafted the player first Saben wanted instead of a new RB.
 
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When you have unequal revenue sharing you automatically put schools, fans, and public perception that certain teams are just better. There is a reason there has been a lot of chaos in the big 12 that you haven’t seen in other conferences and a large part of that comes from that perception which unequal revenue sharing only highlights.

It’s pretty difficult to go back and change one aspect of the past without it having multipule ripples. Even if you’re correct and the teams would have bolted even earlier the financial world of cfb had much more parity then between conferences and it could have possibly been better or to your point could have made things worse even faster.

For a very long time the P5 were very equal in media valuation and only one conference had unequal revenue sharing. Now it’s possible (maybe even probable) that Texas would just cause chaos no matter what but unequal revenue sharing is just the conference saying they agree with Texas that they are better and deserve more money.
You sound like the fan of a team, that knows what is coming, but is trying to talk yourself into reasons that it will not happen.

Unequal shares will happen when the Ohio States and Michigan's of the conference want it, either that or they will blow up the conference.

What I find amazing is how fans of B10 schools think they are above of this, and that their schools and conference is only out for the little guy and the betterment of the league, and want to keep playing by those same rules.
 
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Btw for the people dumbing the comment about private equity ruining everything I’m guessing you’re totally fine with the state of healthcare in this country? They legit ruin everything they touch just to enrich themselves.

Yeah, it's dumb to state PE ruins everything they get involved in even if they may have hosed up some elements of the healthcare industry.
 
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I think you can have unequal sharing as long as the formula for it is transparent and not rigged. And as long as it isn't TOO unequal.

But it needs to be based on performance and value to customer (ie fox/ESPN) and can't JUST be about the name brand (beyond what that value to customer is). If ISU 2 years ago got 10% less when they were 4-8 and on ESPN+ all the time, but got 10% more this year when they are ranked and rolling (so far), that doesn't seem horribly unfair. JP and the accounting department might hate it a lot, but they'd figure it out.

Heck, maybe you just take 20% of the contract and split it up into shares based on wins. In 2023, the Big12 had 99 wins overall. If the overall contract was ~$500m (I didn't look up the exact), so 20% is $100M. Pay each team $1M per win. So 10 win teams get ~$38M and 3 win team gets ~$31M. Not perfect, but very simple anyway.
This is an interesting way to do things and I would think it would be beneficial for a collectively bargained system to keep the top teams happy. Maybe base some off the past 5 years of performance to allow teams to better forecast and budget overall too. You could have another pot for tv ratings/appearances too. Maybe 70% is a base, 20% performance, and 10% is television appearances.
 

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You sound like the fan of a team, that knows what is coming, but is trying to talk yourself into reasons that it will not happen.

Unequal shares will happen when the Ohio States and Michigan's of the conference want it, either that or they will blow up the conference.

What I find amazing is how fans of B10 schools think they are above of this, and that their schools and conference is only out for the little guy and the betterment of the league, and want to keep playing by those same rules.
Again most likely have a bias from having a pretty stable conference for a very long time. Similar to the Big12 bias that everything is just going to continue to get worse and you can’t for a second understand that not everyone has that view.

Never said that the conference is out for the little guy, however the conference up to this point has always operated as doing what’s best for the whole.

Again, different biased but I get where you’re coming from. Not worried about sparty or Michigan and I’m happy that all the plans being laid out are seemingly for all the current P4 teams. Don’t want to see Bailey left behind that is serious about sports.
 
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Never said that the conference is out for the little guy, however the conference up to this point has always operated as doing what’s best for the whole.
I don't think admitting UO and UW at half shares through the rest of the decade while USC & UCLA get full shares is doing what's best for the whole conference.
 

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I don't think admitting UO and UW at half shares through the rest of the decade while USC & UCLA get full shares is doing what's best for the whole conference.
Sure it is. Kept payments to all existing members the same. The could have just said no and left them homeless with the other PNW schools. Same thing happened when when the conference added Rutgers and Maryland.
 

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Sure it is. Kept payments to all existing members the same. The could have just said no and left them homeless with the other PNW schools. Same thing happened when when the conference added Rutgers and Maryland.
The B12 didn't operate in that manner when the 4Cs were added. Existing members took a cut to promote payout parity and do what was best for the B12, unlike the B10.
 

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The B12 didn't operate in that manner when the 4Cs were added. Existing members took a cut to promote payout parity.
Not sure if I need to explain the difference between the big tens situation and the Big12’s during realignment…I know you’re smarter then this despite our disagreements
 
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Not sure if I need to explain the difference between the big tens situation and the Big12’s during realignment…I know you’re smarter then this despite our disagreements
I really don't see any difference. Both conferences added 4 schools from PAC destruction by Fox/B10. Both were working in the framework of new TV deals.

It appears to me that the existing B10 schools & USC (who orchestrated B10 expansion with Fox) are being greedy bastards relative to the UO and UW additions.
 

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I really don't see any difference. Both conferences added 4 schools from PAC destruction by Fox/B10. Both were working in the framework of new TV deals.

It appears to me that the existing B10 schools & USC (who orchestrated B10 expansion with Fox) are being greedy bastards relative to the UO and UW additions.
Or if somehow you’re 4 corner schools plus the PNW and cal/standford are all able to get 30+ million in their new conferences it’s actually the horrific Pac12 leadership that’s to blame. If they had remotely competent leadership that could put a deal on the table (they never did) they could have just stayed and made the exact same.

But the Pac12 is the most mismanaged conference in history and was destroyed by their own idiocy
 

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It is sustainable, not for the G5 or some of the poorer P4 but it is. We still haven’t gotten the final details of what the revenues sharing will look like and how it will effect other sports outside of football.

Without those hard numbers it’s honestly impossible to state the impact. Most of the schools in the P4 spend money on a ton of BS because they aren’t supposed to make a profit. Making smart choices would free up millions for many of these schools. Maybe A&M doesn’t need to be paying 70mil in buyouts, or the new locker room doesn’t need an 80ft rockwall and personal spa for players.
The caveat you stated that I have bolded is the crux of this whole thread. If it is sustainable, except for all the G5s and the poorer P4s.

To put it in a more specific statement, it is sustainable for the Big 10 and the SEC.

You are on a message board for a team in one of the “poorer P4” conferences. Don’t be surprised when the majority of the people here agree with your statement that it is not sustainable for Iowa State.
 
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