Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[FriendlySpartan]

Your statement presupposes that the situation we have currently is sustainable. The discussions surrounding what is happening would suggest it is not.

It is sustainable, not for the G5 or some of the poorer P4 but it is. We still haven’t gotten the final details of what the revenues sharing will look like and how it will effect other sports outside of football.

Without those hard numbers it’s honestly impossible to state the impact. Most of the schools in the P4 spend money on a ton of BS because they aren’t supposed to make a profit. Making smart choices would free up millions for many of these schools. Maybe A&M doesn’t need to be paying 70mil in buyouts, or the new locker room doesn’t need an 80ft rockwall and personal spa for players.

 

[CloniesForLife]

The media hyped up certain teams and puts them on prime TV spots and channels. Those teams get better ratings so the prophecy is fulfilled those teams should get the playoff spots. The cycle continues and so now those teams should also get more TV money. It's total bull ****. I'm not saying Bama and OSU aren't some of the best programs but goodness some of this stuff is insanely stupid.

 

[cykadelic2]

Outside of UCF they really didn’t. It’s a long way from Arizona to Oregon and Washington.

Sure it is, but you can't dismiss the trips they previously made to the 4 CA schools.

And UU and CU sure as hell aren't seeing reduced travel.

 

[RustShack]

This proposed project Rudy, which I doubt will happen but is interesting to discuss is only for football. With the removal of conferences how do you bid out other rights such as men’s and women’s basketball? Nothing about other sports is discussed from what I’ve read unless I skipped over a part.

You bundle everything else together and bid them out lol.

 

[FinalFourCy]

This makes my blood boil because unequal revenue sharing is what killed the old Big 12 and now we got schools saying that we need unequal revenue sharing. The hunger for greed is never satiated. I'm not shocked but it is crazy that these top schools are always scared of parity.

Unequal revenue didn’t kill the Big 12. It saved it from being killed.

Without unequal revenue, the Big 12 dies long ago, or never exists.

What killed the Big 12 is unequal power dynamics, and schools choosing to leverage that sooner than in other conferences because they didn’t have the emotions that come with 100 years of history

The Big 12 formed with two conferences that needed change in part because they were falling behind in TV. That dynamic is going to first crumble, compared to conferences like the BIG, when TV rights escalate. But even the BIG can see unequal power leveraged when you’re talking this level of money

 

[FriendlySpartan]

You bundle everything else together and bid them out lol.

Then you have to create an entire second group for that as well. Which if this happened I guess wouldn’t be that hard but your already kicking out all the G5 and under schools so that gets a touch awkward

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Unequal revenue didn’t kill the Big 12. It saved it from being killed.

Without unequal revenue, the Big 12 dies long ago, or never exists.

What killed the Big 12 is unequal power dynamics, and schools choosing to leverage that sooner than in other conferences because they didn’t have the emotions that come with 100 years of history

If you think one didn’t have a direct hand in another then I’m not sure how else to connect those dots for ya

 

[Clonefan94]

This makes my blood boil because unequal revenue sharing is what killed the old Big 12 and now we got schools saying that we need unequal revenue sharing. The hunger for greed is never satiated. I'm not shocked but it is crazy that these top schools are always scared of parity.

Why does it make your blood boil? I doubt any of this talk is happening in the Big 12 right now, so personally, I find it hilarious. I would love nothing more than Ohio St., Penn St., Michigan, USC, Bama, Georgia and especially Texas to start clamoring for more money than the rest. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the first thing Texas did when they got into the SEC was to call the ADs of Bama and Georgia and say, "Hey, why the hell are Vandy and Miss. St. getting the same amount of $$$ as we are getting?

College football as we know it is going to get blown up anyway, so I'd love to see, sooner than later, schools like Iowa, Indiana, Purdue, Arkansas, Miss. St, etc. get the wake up call that the TV networds aren't throwing billions at your conferences to get your team on TV.

Sure the Big 12 is getting a lot less than the SEC and Big 10, but honestly it seems like what we are getting from TV is a rational value based on all the teams in the conference. Not some inflated BS number just so the TV people can get the rights to the top 2 teams in the league.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Unequal revenue didn’t kill the Big 12. It saved it from being killed.

One of the biggest "What ifs" is if the Big 12 has stood up to Texas about the LHN in 2010 so much that they decided to take the Pac-10's offer.

That would have been the first 16-school superleague, with Texas, A&M, OU, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and Colorado all heading west.

The Pac-16 might have become a dominant powerhouse - the SEC might have added Missouri and West Virginia instead of what it actually did - and Iowa State, Kansas, K-State and Baylor would have been left to die or cobble together a conference with the likes of BYU, Boise State, Cincinnati etc.

We could have stood against Texas's unfair advantage and it likely would have been a much worse outcome for us. Sometimes that's the way it is. Life isn't a movie where the good guys always win.

 

[ClubCy]

Claiming the 4 PAC adds to the B12 are not having their travel increased is completely off base. Better check a map.

Arizona schools travel is no different than it was before. Check a map.

It’s pretty comparable to their old flight schedule. Obviously longer flights to the eastern time zone.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

One of the biggest "What ifs" is if the Big 12 has stood up to Texas about the LHN in 2010 so much that they decided to take the Pac-10's offer.

That would have been the first 16-school superleague, with Texas, A&M, OU, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and Colorado all heading west.

The Pac-16 might have become a dominant powerhouse - the SEC might have added Missouri and West Virginia instead of what it actually did - and Iowa State, Kansas, K-State and Baylor would have been left to die or cobble together a conference with the likes of BYU, Boise State, Cincinnati etc.

We could have stood against Texas's unfair advantage and it likely would have been a much worse outcome for us. Sometimes that's the way it is. Life isn't a movie where the good guys always win.

There's a reason that Jamie was the leading voice in the room about Texas and OU getting to do whatever they wanted with their T3 rights...

 

[Big_Sill]

One of the biggest "What ifs" is if the Big 12 has stood up to Texas about the LHN in 2010 so much that they decided to take the Pac-10's offer.

That would have been the first 16-school superleague, with Texas, A&M, OU, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and Colorado all heading west.

The Pac-16 might have become a dominant powerhouse - the SEC might have added Missouri and West Virginia instead of what it actually did - and Iowa State, Kansas, K-State and Baylor would have been left to die or cobble together a conference with the likes of BYU, Boise State, Cincinnati etc.

We could have stood against Texas's unfair advantage and it likely would have been a much worse outcome for us. Sometimes that's the way it is. Life isn't a movie where the good guys always win.

Crazy times -- We (ISU, KSU, KU) had already agreed to join the big east if this went down.

 

[AuH2O]

Unequal revenue didn’t kill the Big 12. It saved it from being killed.

Without unequal revenue, the Big 12 dies long ago, or never exists.

What killed the Big 12 is unequal power dynamics, and schools choosing to leverage that sooner than in other conferences because they didn’t have the emotions that come with 100 years of history

The Big 12 formed with two conferences that needed change in part because they were falling behind in TV. That dynamic is going to first crumble, compared to conferences like the BIG, when TV rights escalate. But even the BIG can see unequal power leveraged when you’re talking this level of money

Exactly. The two biggest myths of realignment that keep getting said:
1. Uneven revenue sharing killed the Big 12 - The teams getting the lion's share of the revenue, and frankly about everything they wanted, triggered both breakup periods in the Big 12. Are people really believing that if those schools would've been giving more money to the likes of ISU and KSU they'd be happier and stay in the Big 12?

2. The old "How'd the Big 10 move work out for Nebraska?" It worked out great. They make more money, got an easier schedule yet get the perception of it being better because they are in the Big 10. Keep in mind Nebraska was just fine when they initially joined when they had a competent coach. Now they have another competent coach and they are just fine. 100% of their problem was a couple bad coaching hires. They were never going to and never will return to their 90s glory, so that can't be the comparison. Big 12 or Big 10 Pelini is probably the realistic upper bound for Nebraska moving forward.

 

[FinalFourCy]

One of the biggest "What ifs" is if the Big 12 has stood up to Texas about the LHN in 2010 so much that they decided to take the Pac-10's offer.

That would have been the first 16-school superleague, with Texas, A&M, OU, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and Colorado all heading west.

The Pac-16 might have become a dominant powerhouse - the SEC might have added Missouri and West Virginia instead of what it actually did - and Iowa State, Kansas, K-State and Baylor would have been left to die or cobble together a conference with the likes of BYU, Boise State, Cincinnati etc.

We could have stood against Texas's unfair advantage and it likely would have been a much worse outcome for us. Sometimes that's the way it is. Life isn't a movie where the good guys always win.

Nothing ends the Big 12 faster than taking away from the interests of the higher valued schools, particularly Texas.

If you’re asking questions about LHN, the biggest one is what if A&M would have accepted the invitation to be included, as was the original plan. A&M stays, and then UT doesn’t have to move because A&M is using the SEC brand against UT

But in the end it wouldn’t matter much. The fundamentals support consolidation. The networks make more paying for the schools of value all in one or two conferences, rather than paying 12 schools to get 3 or 4

At best, maybe the P5 survives another round if we increase inequality, but eventually the top schools will be lured away imo

 

[HFCS]

It’s pretty comparable to their old flight schedule. Obviously longer flights to the eastern time zone.

Arizona was flirting with us independent of USC flirting w Big Ten. It was 100% upside for them the whole way.

 

[NetflixAndClone]

Why does it make your blood boil? I doubt any of this talk is happening in the Big 12 right now, so personally, I find it hilarious. I would love nothing more than Ohio St., Penn St., Michigan, USC, Bama, Georgia and especially Texas to start clamoring for more money than the rest. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the first thing Texas did when they got into the SEC was to call the ADs of Bama and Georgia and say, "Hey, why the hell are Vandy and Miss. St. getting the same amount of $$$ as we are getting?

College football as we know it is going to get blown up anyway, so I'd love to see, sooner than later, schools like Iowa, Indiana, Purdue, Arkansas, Miss. St, etc. get the wake up call that the TV networds aren't throwing billions at your conferences to get your team on TV.

Sure the Big 12 is getting a lot less than the SEC and Big 10, but honestly it seems like what we are getting from TV is a rational value based on all the teams in the conference. Not some inflated BS number just so the TV people can get the rights to the top 2 teams in the league.

It’s more because I’m lamenting for the old big 12. Texas, Nebraska, aTm, and OU fought for unequal revenue. Only for them to leave for equal revenue conferences (Nebby and aTm) Nebraska fans complained ad nauseam about the unequal revenue which funny enough Beebee even pushed back at the time telling them that their school wanted it that way.

I’m just annoyed that if unequal is the future. The old big 12 didn’t need to die. The big 12 wouldn’t have found itself in a precarious situation trying to keep up with the top 2 conferences.

 

[FinalFourCy]

If you think one didn’t have a direct hand in another then I’m not sure how else to connect those dots for ya

How are you consistently so wrong on something you spend so much time on?

I’ll put it in terms you may understand. Unequal revenue is a symptom, not a cause…at most.

Do you also think crutches cause broken legs?

The Big 12 does not delay or prevent losing schools by taking revenue away from Texas and giving it to others. If you think otherwise then you’re trolls have more value in contributing to this thread

 

[FriendlySpartan]

How are you consistently so wrong on something you spend so much time on?

I’ll put it in terms you may understand. Unequal revenue is a symptom, not a cause…at most.

Do you also think crutches cause broken legs?

The Big 12 does not delay or prevent losing schools by taking revenue away from Texas and giving it to others. If you think otherwise then you’re trolls have more value in contributing to this thread

If you give a mouse a cookie. They left for a conference that has always had equal revenue sharing, Nebraska left and took a lesser share for years. So again, if you can’t see how unequal revenue sharing caused massive problems I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[HFCS]

Nothing ends the Big 12 faster than taking away from the interests of the higher valued schools, particularly Texas.

If you’re asking questions about LHN, the biggest one is what if A&M would have accepted the invitation to be included, as was the original plan. A&M stays, and then UT doesn’t have to move because A&M is using the SEC brand against UT

But in the end it wouldn’t matter much. The fundamentals support consolidation. The networks make more paying for the schools of value all in one or two conferences, rather than paying 12 schools to get 3 or 4

At best, maybe the P5 survives another round if we increase inequality, but eventually the top schools will be lured away imo

Nebraska and A&M enabled LHN then got really mad at what they enabled.

I still think a football conference that owns 100% of Texas and six other states could have been patient and expanded itself to be one of the big 2 or 3 on even footing.

The minute things moved away from cable markets and toward actual eyeballs the original big 12 would have been #3 by miles over pac/acc and one poaching move of either of those two from being exactly level or even greater than big ten/sec.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

One of the biggest "What ifs" is if the Big 12 has stood up to Texas about the LHN in 2010 so much that they decided to take the Pac-10's offer.

That would have been the first 16-school superleague, with Texas, A&M, OU, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and Colorado all heading west.

The Pac-16 might have become a dominant powerhouse - the SEC might have added Missouri and West Virginia instead of what it actually did - and Iowa State, Kansas, K-State and Baylor would have been left to die or cobble together a conference with the likes of BYU, Boise State, Cincinnati etc.

We could have stood against Texas's unfair advantage and it likely would have been a much worse outcome for us. Sometimes that's the way it is. Life isn't a movie where the good guys always win.

That would have been a disaster for us. But probably better for Oklahoma State, Texas Tech.

The PAC Network certainly would have secured better distribution with Texas and Oklahoma than it did. That would have allowed them to keep pace with the SEC, B10 revenue wise. Not sure OUT or USCLA jump ship if that’s the case. Probably would have depended on how competitive they could be on the football field.