Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[gipper2001]

This is very interesting if true. Does ND want to actually join the ACC? Do they perceive it as being easier than joining B1G? Do they just want to schedule Stanford as an opponent instead of other ACC schools as part of their agreement? Why would FSU or Clemson put these new schools in or listen to ND? I can’t believe the ACC schools that other conf would want would agree to expand. Can’t believe the networks would give a full share to Stan and Cal. The one thing I do believe is that the SMU donors have been consistent. We WILL ***** ourself to any conference and take no money for 5 years.

As an ND alum, our agreement with the ACC is less than ideal, playing 5 ACC opponents a year. My guess is they want to kill two birds with one stone, keep Stanford as a yearly opponent amd have it count as one of the ACC games. It also opens up a California opponent for basketball to help with west coast basketball recruiting.

 

[2speedy1]

Notre Dame Pushing for ACC to Add Stanford, Cal; SMU Would Join Without Revenue

Check out Brett McMurphy's article on Notre Dame pushing for the ACC to add Stanford and Cal, while SMU would join without revenue.

www.actionnetwork.com

Real convenient. ND wants the ACC to add teams but doesnt want to join themselves.

I am pretty sure if ND officially joined as a full member it would almost single handedly save the ACC.

That would be a significant change, trigger a renegotiation, and possibly add NBC as a media partner as well. But ND isnt going to do that. So if I was the rest of the conference I would tell ND to pound sand.

 

[2speedy1]

Hey all. I have been thinking that if the Big 12 goes to four four-team pods, the breakdown would most likely be:

Western pod:
AZ
AZ ST
UU
BYU

Big 8 pod:
CU
KU
KSU
OSU

Texas pod:

TTU
BU
TCU
UH

Leftovers pod:
ISU
WVU
UC
UCF

Right? I mean I don't see how ISU avoids that pod. That would be pretty bleak. Am I crazy?

Nah, ISU will be with KU, KSU and CU. OSU will be with the Texas schools, Houston will be with the Eastern pod, and The 4 corners will be together.

If they go to pods that is.

 

[Pitt_Clone]

Hey all. I have been thinking that if the Big 12 goes to four four-team pods, the breakdown would most likely be:

Western pod:
AZ
AZ ST
UU
BYU

Big 8 pod:
CU
KU
KSU
OSU

Texas pod:

TTU
BU
TCU
UH

Leftovers pod:
ISU
WVU
UC
UCF

Right? I mean I don't see how ISU avoids that pod. That would be pretty bleak. Am I crazy?

Ames is a 4-5 hour drive from the Kansas schools, and Boulder is a 7-8 hour drive from them. I've never understood why people keep talking about us being a geographic outlier in the conference. We're not.

 

[cysmiley]

Real convenient. ND wants the ACC to add teams but doesnt want to join themselves.

I am pretty sure if ND officially joined as a full member it would almost single handedly save the ACC.

That would be a significant change, trigger a renegotiation, and possibly add NBC as a media partner as well. But ND isnt going to do that. So if I was the rest of the conference I would tell ND to pound sand.

Yeah, if Stanford falls to G5, then ND schedule strength would probably fall and their arguments for playoff status might weaken IMO.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Ames is a 4-5 hour drive from the Kansas schools, and Boulder is a 7-8 hour drive from them. I've never understood why people keep talking about us being a geographic outlier in the conference. We're not.

Because in every iteration of the Big 8 and Big 12 conferences ISU has always been the school farthest north by a lot - and it’s especially noticeable without Missouri and Nebraska in the conference. We’ve always been “the northern outpost”.

The difference now, with the addition of WV a decade+ ago, and the recent additions of Cincy, UCF, and the 4 Corners, while we’re still the northernmost school, the conference has greatly expanded both east and west, making ISU much more centrally located in this newest iteration of the conference.

 

[Cyclonepride]

100%. Not sure what summer programming ESPN+ even broadcasts. College baseball and softball? PGA golf?

I keep it for the golf plus the random show on Disney or Hulu

 

[bizzle]

Because in every iteration of the Big 8 and Big 12 conferences ISU has always been the school farthest north by a lot - and it’s especially noticeable without Missouri and Nebraska in the conference. We’ve always been “the northern outpost”.

The difference now, with the addition of WV a decade+ ago, and the recent additions of Cincy, UCF, and the 4 Corners, while we’re still the northernmost school, the conference has greatly expanded both east and west, making ISU much more centrally located in this newest iteration of the conference.

Yeah...it's less that we are a geographical outlier and more that we are closer to the others who are. My guess is that if you were marketing these pods, an "all-Texas pod" would be your natural lead in and with Houston in that pod Iowa State is the clear fourth school to go with the three eastern schools.

 

[dafarmer]

I keep it for the golf plus the random show on Disney or Hulu

Golf

 

[jdoggivjc]

Yeah...it's less that we are a geographical outlier and more that we are closer to the others who are. My guess is that if you were marketing these pods, an "all-Texas pod" would be your natural lead in and with Houston in that pod Iowa State is the clear fourth school to go with the three eastern schools.

And yet it would be an absolute mistake to do so. While I have doubts pods are even happening, in the off chance they do it’s a travesty if ISU is separated from KU and K-State. Do that and ISU has no natural rivals in this conference.

 

[Clonehomer]

Yeah...it's less that we are a geographical outlier and more that we are closer to the others who are. My guess is that if you were marketing these pods, an "all-Texas pod" would be your natural lead in and with Houston in that pod Iowa State is the clear fourth school to go with the three eastern schools.

Wasn’t that one of the issues with the divisions before? More teams wanted to play in Texas for recruiting purposes?

 

[Pitt_Clone]

Because in every iteration of the Big 8 and Big 12 conferences ISU has always been the school farthest north by a lot - and it’s especially noticeable without Missouri and Nebraska in the conference. We’ve always been “the northern outpost”.

The difference now, with the addition of WV a decade+ ago, and the recent additions of Cincy, UCF, and the 4 Corners, while we’re still the northernmost school, the conference has greatly expanded both east and west, making ISU much more centrally located in this newest iteration of the conference.

Yeah...it's less that we are a geographical outlier and more that we are closer to the others who are. My guess is that if you were marketing these pods, an "all-Texas pod" would be your natural lead in and with Houston in that pod Iowa State is the clear fourth school to go with the three eastern schools.

I disagree that being the northern most school automatically makes us a geographic outlier. Being a 4 hour drive from the nearest school does not make us the school farthest north by "a lot". Why lump Colorado in with the Kansas schools when they are about twice as far from them as we are?

 

[alenz95]

Real convenient. ND wants the ACC to add teams but doesnt want to join themselves.

I am pretty sure if ND officially joined as a full member it would almost single handedly save the ACC.

That would be a significant change, trigger a renegotiation, and possibly add NBC as a media partner as well. But ND isnt going to do that. So if I was the rest of the conference I would tell ND to pound sand.

Notre Dame is a member of the ACC in every major sport other than football and hockey (which the ACC does not host). People may not like ND as an institution, but as a member who will be affected by expansion -- especially as it relates to travel for olympic sports -- they get a vote. If the ACC didn't want ND to have a say it shouldn't have let ND into the ACC for everything else. Let's also not pretend that getting to sell 3 or so ND away games a year as part of its tv deal didn't benefit the ACC.

 

[CascadeClone]

Why on earth would ESPN put up the money for additional schools and to make ND happy? When what they want is to NOT pay for Cal and Stanford at all, and to make ND mad and push them to move to B1G or SEC??

The ACC doesnt actually want this either unless it can reopen their media deal to get more money. Which it wont. FSU and Clemson might see it as an opening to weasel out of the conference, and the other schools might see it as a way to placate with unequal sharing to boost FSU and Clemson, but borne on the backs of new adds instead of the existing members. Just zero mutual alignment of goals.

Honestly i think this is more about ACC pretending to look strong and aggressive, when they know they are next for consolidation.

 

[CascadeClone]

Real convenient. ND wants the ACC to add teams but doesnt want to join themselves.

I am pretty sure if ND officially joined as a full member it would almost single handedly save the ACC.

That would be a significant change, trigger a renegotiation, and possibly add NBC as a media partner as well. But ND isnt going to do that. So if I was the rest of the conference I would tell ND to pound sand.

Of the top 20 brands, all but 3 (4 if you count Miami) are in B1G or SEC. Are FSU, Clemson, and ND enough to make the ACC stand and survive? Is that enough to prevent the tv folks from trying to consolidate them as well?

I dont think so. When the time comes (and the money is available) they will pressure them to move as well.

 

[BCClone]

Dude, they fuckoff into jars... that's not normal. Well at least in my experience.

Heard that the ladies can be a part of it if they help with the mason jar filling.

 

[BCClone]

Hey all. I have been thinking that if the Big 12 goes to four four-team pods, the breakdown would most likely be:

Western pod:
AZ
AZ ST
UU
BYU

Big 8 pod:
CU
KU
KSU
OSU

Texas pod:

TTU
BU
TCU
UH

Leftovers pod:
ISU
WVU
UC
UCF

Right? I mean I don't see how ISU avoids that pod. That would be pretty bleak. Am I crazy?

Yes, you are crazy, because pod talk gets you banned now.

 

[bizzle]

I disagree that being the northern most school automatically makes us a geographic outlier. Being a 4 hour drive from the nearest school does not make us the school farthest north by "a lot". Why lump Colorado in with the Kansas schools when they are about twice as far from them as we are?

Well, I said we were closer to the geographic outliers. I guess Houston is a bit closer to UCF but we are much closer to Cincy and WVU than anyone else.

I agree we are closer to KU and KSU than CU but when it comes to air travel those distances are shortened. Besides, who would CU go with?

Obviously this is all caveated with the significant possibility they don't do pods but if they do, I really fail to see anyone other than ISU or Houston getting the eastern pod. I suppose the conference could give every pod a Texas school for recruiting. That is probably our best hope.

 

[RezClone]

Say what you will, it's at least a very appropriately shaped conference. Very on brand.

 

[bizzle]

Yes, you are crazy, because pod talk gets you banned now.

Sorry. I will stick to talking about masturbating into jars.