Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[WhoISthis]

The reality is Arizona & Colorado are worth more than bottom end Media Value New Big12 teams. I look at realignment for the Big12 like a professional sport team always trying to improve upon the bottom of its roster.

If the New Big12 is going to make $40M/school/year. I would expect UA & Colorado are middle of the road Pac10 Media Value schools (behind Washington, Oregon, Utah & Arizona State). If UA & CU are each worth around $30M, then that would dilute New Big12 payouts to $38.6M.

I think that dilution is workable for schools, especially if it opens the door to adding Oregon, Washington, Utah or Arizona State.

I agree. Certainly worth spending a little on AZ and CU to get much better odds of getting more valuable schools plus the macro benefits of no PAC to bid on or compete with, and more possible Tier 1 games.

I also think most PAC schools are worth more in a Big 16 or Big 18 conference than even Pac12, as they can maintain the late game spot while also getting better time slots and into more college athletic friendly markets. These "name" schools of the PAC have been held back being PAC imo, and can be "sold" to Texas and flyover states when playing Big 12 schools, that otherwise would not watch the PAC much, particularly in late games. For the same reason the general thought was the PAC was stronger, much of the nation views the PAC favorably, but out-of-sight, out-of-mind has limited that conference, and the locals not as passionate as in midwest and south. Larry Scott knew even back in 2010, they needed to be less PAC


Maybe the Big 12 schools get a small bump with more of the West caring about them, but likely not as much.

Whatever the providers offer the PAC10 and Big 12, competing against each other, it should be tangibly more for a Big 18 with a larger footprint and more numerous top matchup possibilities, and no other conference to bid on.

 

[RustShack]

Exactly, adding 4-6 more from the west gives the Big12 the Big12 after dark slot. One of those 5-7(including BYU) can host most or all. Plus gives those schools more eyeballs playing in the central(and even East) time zone. Plus opens the Texas and Florida pipeline to them a little more.

 

[cyatheart]

I go back and forth. On one hand I think all these pac schools suck and it's a huge waste of time. On the other hand, there was a time when tgey were actually on tv where I watched those games. I saw more pac games in tv 20 years ago than I do now.

The management of that conf really did those schools a huge disservice. Maybe all they need is tv spots where people can see them again.

 

[WhoISthis]

I go back and forth. On one hand I think all these pac schools suck and it's a huge waste of time. On the other hand, there was a time when tgey were actually on tv where I watched those games. I saw more pac games in tv 20 years ago than I do now.

Anecdotal, but even before realignment and OUT and this summer, I've felt the same.

20 years ago, the PAC was pretty much like any major conference game and I'd watch if a good matchup. Now, unless they are playing a Big 12, BIG, or SEC school, my interest in the PAC has faded considerably. In both CFB and MBB.

Maybe it is the consistently empty stadiums, dead arenas, and 10+ years of bad time spots and poor performance. I look forwarded to Cincinnati and UCF games as much or more in recent years.

 

[cincinnaticyclone]

Anecdotal, but even before realignment and OUT and this summer, I've felt the same.

20 years ago, the PAC was pretty much like any major conference game and I'd watch if a good matchup. Now, unless they are playing a Big 12, BIG, or SEC school, my interest in the PAC has faded considerably. In both CFB and MBB.

Maybe it is the consistently empty stadiums, dead arenas, and 10+ years of bad time spots and poor performance. I look forwarded to Cincinnati and UCF games as much or more in recent years.

The empty stadiums definitely has something to do with my interest in sports. Everything seemed so much less exciting when stadiums were empty during covid. Pac-12 programs saw probably didn’t realize anything had changed though

 

[LLCoolCY]

 

[alarson]

I don't think that guy's posts have any value, but I don't think that would be good news. WB\Discovery\HBOMax is a raging dumpster fire right now.

 

[cykadelic2]

I don’t think the Big 12 needs a long GOR or P2 prohibitive one. If a GOR friendly to P2 promotion or short GOR is needed to get 6 PAC schools, we should do it.

LOL, that is the last damn thing any B12 school should sign up for.

 

[Triggermv]

I don't think that guy's posts have any value, but I don't think that would be good news. WB\Discovery\HBOMax is a raging dumpster fire right now.

While their financials are rough right now due to last regime, now that they are acquired by Discovery, I'm super optimistic on their future under new Discovery CEO Zaslov now. The dude is a shark, cleaning house, and seemingly making all the right decisions. He has been one of the best CEOs in the country with his time at Discovery.

 

[Cyforce]

The B10 is strong because of the way their network is set up, they forced BTN on basic cable, allowing them to charge every household in the state that has cable or sat. tv, $1.10 per month. That is the why California is so valuable to the conference, you have millions of homes that will now be paying that much each month into the coffers of BTN. Does not matter if you watch or not, everyone with cable is now paying the rate.

The B12 does not have a network to make the same money for its member schools. We get our money from the networks and the ratings from the amount that network can charge for commercials to the programing. If no one is watching SD football, then the rates for advertisers can charge is going to be less.

B10 is based on viewership, while the B10 is based on just having a school in your state.

They already have the California schools that anybody cares about.

 

[Clonedogg]

While their financials are rough right now due to last regime, now that they are acquired by Discovery, I'm super optimistic on their future under new Discovery CEO Zaslov now. The dude is a shark, cleaning house, and seemingly making all the right decisions. He has been one of the best CEOs in the country with his time at Discovery.

What stations would broadcast sports under the WB, Discovery umbrella.

 

[CoKane]

What stations would broadcast sports under the WB, Discovery umbrella.

TBS, TNT, maybe TruTV

 

[simply1]

While their financials are rough right now due to last regime, now that they are acquired by Discovery, I'm super optimistic on their future under new Discovery CEO Zaslov now. The dude is a shark, cleaning house, and seemingly making all the right decisions. He has been one of the best CEOs in the country with his time at Discovery.

No thanks.

 

[scyclonekid]

PAC adds SDSU, Boise st and life goes on.

 

[cykadelic2]

TBS, TNT, maybe TruTV

TNT has more linear cable subs than ESPN and has the existing, long term relationship with the NBA which they spend big bucks on. If the money is right, a Saturday night GOTW #2 on TNT would be great for the B12/PAC. USA would be the other great alternative for a GOTW #2.

 

[WhoISthis]

LOL, that is the last damn thing any B12 school should sign up for.

The last thing? No, not at all. Things like full merger or taking Oregon St and WSU would be behind it. As would the ridiculous notion that Big 12 schools should go to PAC, which a few foolish posters have promoted over the year.

If it gets you Oregon and UW, which gets you 4 corners, it would be worth it. If there is no PAC, and eventually no ACC, the need for GOR is much less. Networks can fairly easily put in the clauses needed to cover themselves, and by having a P2 friendly GOR, there is stability.

 

[jdolson27]

PAC adds SDSU, Boise st and life goes on.

If that happens I would expect big ten to rape it again for Oregon, Washington, and two other schools within a few years. It will get destroyed then. Hopefully big 12 makes a move now then wait for big ten to take who they want later down the road.

 

[cykadelic2]

Networks can fairly easily put in the clauses needed to cover themselves, and by having a P2 friendly GOR, there is stability.

Yeah right, a "P2 friendly GOR" screams stability.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

But does it improve, or at least keep static, the payouts? Otherwise, no thanks.

What it would do is destabilize the P12, which is the goal of this whole thing, make the B10 decide now, either take the Stanford's, Oregon and Washington or lose them forever.

The money will be there at the end if we can destroy the P12 now.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

They already have the California schools that anybody cares about.

Does not matter, the genius of the system is whether you watch or care does not matter, you have basic cable, you pay money to the B10. Rutgers is the perfect example, no one cares about Rutgers, but they allow the B10 to get into the NY city market and the riches that they can charge on a monthly basis there.