Pre Jamie Pollard versus Now

[cy1225]

That's yet to be determined, but I have always wondered why in the world a Big 12 school couldn't have done better than hiring a losing coach from Long Beach State.

It worked out for a while, but a school like ISU should have been able to get someone with a better resume under any circumstances, IMO.

See that is part of the problem. Twist the facts and perception becomes reality.

First WM was not a losing coach at LB in fact he won nearly 58% of his games including taking the team to the NCAA Tournament. Second by retaining Morgan the roster stayed intact, you can see what has happened now, with a depleted roster it could be 4 or 5 years before the program gets back to where it was with WM in his first 2 years.

I personally thought Wayne deserved another year and mosy likely he would have won 20 games.

 

[cy1225]

Steve McClain turned us down. As did Lebo from Tennessee Tech. McClain was fired at Wyoming and Lebo took the Auburn job and really struggled his first 3 years going 14-17 (4-12) in his first year, 12-16 (4-12) in his second year, 17-15 (7-9) in his third and is currently 14-13 (4-10) this year. Those are 2 coaches who publically turned us down.

A coach from Tennessee Tech turned down an offer to be the coach of a Big 12 school. One that just a few years ago was coming off back to back conference championships. That's saying something about the state of the program a few years ago.

Thankfully, I don't think that would EVER happen today, mostly thanks to JP and McDermott running a clean program.

You have bad information. McClain was never offered the ISU job and Lebo was at Tenn Chatanooga. Seemed like Auburn had no problem hiring him. How is Jeter doing this year? Terrible they are talking about firing him.

 

[cycloneworld]

See that is part of the problem. Twist the facts and perception becomes reality.

First WM was not a losing coach at LB in fact he won nearly 58% of his games including taking the team to the NCAA Tournament.

Ummm...you might want to get your facts straight before calling out someone else for their facts.

Here is Wayne's record at LBST:
Long Beach State1996-97 - 13-14 9-7
Long Beach State1997-98 - 10-19 5-11
Long Beach State1998-99 - 13-15 9-7
Long Beach State1999-00 - 24-61 5-1 NIT 1st Round
Long Beach State2000-01 - 18-13 10-6
Long Beach State2001-02 - 13-17 7-7

 

[DaddyMac]

"Rabbit out of the Hat" let's see. Morgan had us in the Final 4 of the NIT in his first year and in the second round of the NCAA Tournamanet in his 2nd.
McDermott ?

LE had us in the Elite 8, 2 conference regular seasons, 1 conf tourney, NIT.

And the moron before JP fired him.

What did WM do that final year when he didn't have LE players Homan and Sullivan on the squad?

 

[kingcy]

Its about moving foward. Morgan did a good job at ISU, but had shortfalls. Its like you or me if your boss doesnt like you he is going to make you life hell or fire you. As for the other coaches yes they are good people but once again they are hired to win and if they are not doing that it is time to move on, just like if you dont do your job you will be asked to step aside. From what I know Pollard has paid the coaches he fired a nice little sum. The program is in the news more, making more money, and getting upgraded. We have a leader now. It just will take sometime to get everything in place.

 

[cy1225]

Ummm...you might want to get your facts straight before calling out someone else for their facts.

Here is Wayne's record at LBST:
Long Beach State1996-97 - 13-14 9-7
Long Beach State1997-98 - 10-19 5-11
Long Beach State1998-99 - 13-15 9-7
Long Beach State1999-00 - 24-61 5-1 NIT 1st Round
Long Beach State2000-01 - 18-13 10-6
Long Beach State2001-02 - 13-17 7-7

I was referring to conference games and yes his win % was better than 60%.
Non-conference is difficult to gauge because mid-majors play a lot of non conference games on the road with BCS conferences for money.

 

[DaddyMac]

I was referring to conference games and yes his win % was better than 60%.
Non-conference is difficult to gauge because mid-majors play a lot of non conference games on the road with BCS conferences for money.

Oh, well how about we just count games where his team scored more points than the other team.

He then has a staggering 100% winning percentage.

 

[cycloneworld]

I was referring to conference games and yes his win % was better than 60%.
Non-conference is difficult to gauge because mid-majors play a lot of non conference games on the road with BCS conferences for money.

And you said he made the NCAA tournament. Which wasn't true either.

 

[ISUFan22]

Chizek has not had enough time to get a fair shake.

Psst...it's Chizik. There is no e in Chizik.

Learn it. Live it. Love it.

 

[CycloneWanderer]

I would rep you for knowing how to spell Chizik, ISUFan22, but it says I have to "spread it around" first : (

 

[ISUFan22]

Part of the problem is that you have a BBall coach even saying those things though in the first place. Who cares if JT was point shaving or not? I care that the bball coach is going around airing dirty laundry in public instead of taking it to the AD and investigating it.

That's the difference pre- and post- Pollard, IMO. We had a dysfunctional athletic department pre- Pollard. Take a look at A&M for another example recently.

Agreed.

People forget in order to advance, you must take risks. When taking them, sometimes you have steps backwards before you can advance and - not all risks will pay off. I feel we're in good hands with our AD - I've never waivered on that and won't until he gives me good reason not to.

 

[CyBobby]

Please don't read this if you think I am just being negative. I just got to thinking of this as I watched my neighbor move (ex track and field coach) and I pay my season football tickets that have gone up in price. I am a season ticket holder for Football, Men's and Women's Basketball, Wrestling and Volleyball. Have been for 10 years. I even travel with the team a lot. I went 11 out of 12 football games. I have been to 3 soon to be 4 away basketball games. I am going to St Louis for wrestling finals.

But, I am about as frustrated as I have ever been as a Cyclone Fan. I am not saying fire Pollard. I think he has done great things with facilities. I am not saying fire coaches. Chizek has not had enough time to get a fair shake.

But, I would rather have 25 wins and year and a coach that likes to get drunk with college chicks.


Football 2004

7-5 Independence Bowl Champs

Football 2007

3-9

Advantage Pre Pollard
Basketball 2004-05 Mens

19-12

Second Round of NCAA

Basketball 2007-08

14-15

Advantage Pre Pollard
Basketball 2004-05 Womens

24-7

Basketball 2007-08

19-9 Comparable because of injuries

Push

Wrestling

2004-05

Nationals 10th
Big 12 2nd

Wrestling

2007-08

Nationals TBD hopefully better than 10th
Big 12 TBD should finish no lower than 2nd

Advantage Pollard

Gymnastics

2004-05

5th in the Nation

2007-08

Struggling

Advantage Pre Pollard

Track and Field

Push

Volleyball

Advantage Pollard

Golf

Push

Soccer

Advantage Pre Pollard

I gotta tellya dukee that peoplelike you make me laugh...People er fans just like you wanted BVD fired WM Fired Danny Mac Fired and Larry Eustasy Fired and then you wanted a new athletic director to do great things...Hellsbells great things costs lots of money and ISU has NO MONEY in comparison with 10 out of 12 teams in the big 12!!!

Show me the money and I'll show you the winner...Texas baby is the winner in the money sweepstakes and on the field..athletic budget of 130MILLION plus does it everytime...

Just do like me ... expect to lose more games than you win and then you'll feel much much better!!!!LOL:yes:

 

[CyBobby]

LE had us in the Elite 8, 2 conference regular seasons, 1 conf tourney, NIT.

And the moron before JP fired him.

What did WM do that final year when he didn't have LE players Homan and Sullivan on the squad?

Well daddy-mac gottatellya that a friendof mine said that when they fired LE that Iowa state b-ball wouldn't be worth a good horsepuckey for at least ten years...Whats this like year five of his ten year plan?

Thats why I'm still willing to give old Greg another eight years to get us to the ncaa big dance!!:yes:

 

[CYKOFAN]

isucyfan-Morgan had more talent because he recruited it. Some of you don't want to give Morgan credit for getting players like Stinson, Blaylock, Staple (all said they wouldn't come if Morgan wasn't the coach), Clark, Taggart, Jiri, Stinnett, DeGand, etc? You keep giving the excuse that Greg wasn't left any talent. Well it was his job to keep the current players and recruits coming like Morgan did. Instead he lost almost everybody. And I also hear a lot about what could have been for Greg if he didn't lose players like Taylor, Dunson, etc. You could say the same thing about Wayne not having George, Faulkner and Haluska. Think what he might have done with them. Difference is, Wayne still won 4 post season games and beat 4 top ten teams at home and on the road. His worst year was better than both of Greg's first two. People should be smart enough not to bash Morgan at least until Greg does something better, and so far he hasn't come close. That doesn't mean I hope Greg doesn't get it done, but the bottom line is JP will be judged by the results he gets from Greg and Gene. I'll admit I thought firing Morgan was a mistake, at least without giving him another year with everybody returning and good recruits coming in. I also thought Brian Kelly was the perfect fit for ISU. Time will tell if Greg and Gene work out, and JP will be judged on how they do. Hiring top notch coaches is the most important job an A.D. has. Hope and hype only last so long.

 

[isuno1fan]

Steve McClain turned us down. As did Lebo from Tennessee Tech. McClain was fired at Wyoming and Lebo took the Auburn job and really struggled his first 3 years going 14-17 (4-12) in his first year, 12-16 (4-12) in his second year, 17-15 (7-9) in his third and is currently 14-13 (4-10) this year. Those are 2 coaches who publically turned us down.

A coach from Tennessee Tech turned down an offer to be the coach of a Big 12 school. One that just a few years ago was coming off back to back conference championships. That's saying something about the state of the program a few years ago.

Thankfully, I don't think that would EVER happen today, mostly thanks to JP and McDermott running a clean program.

Lebo turned us down, but McClain...we turned him down.

 

[Bobber]

Wayne's gone. Let go, let go. I like him too as a person.

Sure it's Gregs job to keep players, but when Wayne was let go a lot the guys he recruited left too. As a matter of fact I think Wayne said he'd help them find new homes if they wanted. Because of that we lost like 8 scholarship players in one year. That's not Gmac's fault?:no:

 

[DaddyMac]

isucyfan-Morgan had more talent because he recruited it. Some of you don't want to give Morgan credit for getting players like Stinson, Blaylock, Staple (all said they wouldn't come if Morgan wasn't the coach), Clark, Taggart, Jiri, Stinnett, DeGand, etc? You keep giving the excuse that Greg wasn't left any talent. Well it was his job to keep the current players and recruits coming like Morgan did. Instead he lost almost everybody. And I also hear a lot about what could have been for Greg if he didn't lose players like Taylor, Dunson, etc. You could say the same thing about Wayne not having George, Faulkner and Haluska. Think what he might have done with them. Difference is, Wayne still won 4 post season games and beat 4 top ten teams at home and on the road. His worst year was better than both of Greg's first two. People should be smart enough not to bash Morgan at least until Greg does something better, and so far he hasn't come close. That doesn't mean I hope Greg doesn't get it done, but the bottom line is JP will be judged by the results he gets from Greg and Gene. I'll admit I thought firing Morgan was a mistake, at least without giving him another year with everybody returning and good recruits coming in. I also thought Brian Kelly was the perfect fit for ISU. Time will tell if Greg and Gene work out, and JP will be judged on how they do. Hiring top notch coaches is the most important job an A.D. has. Hope and hype only last so long.

Are you trying to say that the situation of GMac coming in and retaining players he didn't know much more than he would know you or I, is remotely similar to an assistant, who did the recruiting, getting the head coaching job of the same school and needingto retain the players?

:skeptical:

I still maintain, and ALWAYS will, that Wayne's post season success has more to do with LE coached and experienced players than it does with anything WM did - or even as much as it does with his players. Fact is, the best two players under WM were Stinson and Blaylock. So how do we explain the success the NIT final four as freshman, to the non-tourney season of their junior year?

LE players were gone, as was any sembelence of his coaching - so was the post season.

 

[mwitt]

Hope and hype only last so long.

That's why we made coaching changes in the first place. We were out of hope and hype and not getting the results, either. Bad combination.

 

[RocktheDome]

My views on Jamie Pollard are pretty mixed. As a UNI fan I truly admire his passion for ISU Athletics. You can tell he truly believes Iowa State has the talent, the ambition, and the ability to become a big time program (notably in football). Also, he has made some great hires (I'm still mad at Coach Mac for leaving Cedar Falls) and he has accomplished some great things towards ISU's facilities. But his views on scheduling Drake and UNI in basketball are insane. It's pretty clear he views Drake and UNI and annoying scheduling road bumps. I just think some of his views are a little drastic. But I think a lot of that comes with being so passionate about the Cyclones.