Pre Jamie Pollard versus Now

[Angie]

And there are also hundreds of other stories you could tell you about Larry Eustachy visiting sick children and being an excellent role model for our university. Smearing him in an Iowa State forum by our own fans quoting third hand stories from a bar doesn't exactly make me comfortable and proud to be an Iowa State grad to tell you the truth.

I didn't smear anyone - I actually typed as my husband dictated the story, so it was told by someone who was there. That is actually first-hand, as he then came over and checked the story for accuracy.

I think he was/is a great coach, and did some great things, but I think it would be pretty tough to deny that alcohol can make you do some stupid things. When you are one of the two or three most visible people at a university, that might not be something that goes unnoticed, right?

 

[Bobber]

And there are also hundreds of other stories you could tell you about Larry Eustachy visiting sick children and being an excellent role model for our university. Smearing him in an Iowa State forum by our own fans quoting third hand stories from a bar doesn't exactly make me comfortable and proud to be an Iowa State grad to tell you the truth.

My story isn't third hand. It happened to me and it was not a good experience. And all you had to do was go to a game to hear all the cursing(as many little children did).

Larry made his own bed. History will say he was one of the best coaches ISU ever had, and also one of the worst....

 

[isucyfan]

Larry made his own bed.

I bet Larry would admit as much.

I wonder if what happened to him was the best thing that could have happened, in a roundabout way.

 

[ajjohnson]

Holy crap; Eustachy was telling others he thought Tinsley shaved points ?@??# This is the first time I heard that.

I always wondered why Tinsley, with the ball & 1-point lead with 30-seconds vs Hampton, took a 12-foot shot instead of pulling up and dribbling out the clock.

Seriously, if JT shaved points, and LE is drunk in a bar telling everybody in earshot, then the AD had every reason to can his butt, and I hope for the sake of our history, everyone can end the LE idol-worship and never bring him back for a reunion half-time show.

I know of one LE story that occurred after we took a 30-point pounding at TX, the year of our second B12 title, and would make the Mizzou coed story seem like a Sunday church brunch.

First off the spread against Hampton was a hell of lot more than one point, making this observation and the rest of the allegations in this post complete nonsense. If anyone in our athletic department had any knowlege of point shaving they would have had to report it by law. To act like there were all these rumors the fans knew and the athletic department didn't is ridiculous. Do you really think we would have given Larry hundreds of thousands of dollars to walk away if any of this were remotely true. This reminds me of some of the completely ridiculous rumors flying around Iowa City towards the end of the Alford era. What a huge load of garbage in this thread. Its great that our own fans trash one of our greatest coaches on an ISU message board with hearsay from a bar when alcohol is involved.

 

[Go2Guy]

And there are also hundreds of other stories you could tell you about Larry Eustachy visiting sick children and being an excellent role model for our university. Smearing him in an Iowa State forum by our own fans quoting third hand stories from a bar doesn't exactly make me comfortable and proud to be an Iowa State grad to tell you the truth.

It's not a 3rd hand story if the woman's husband was there, in person, hearing LE's words directly. LE smeared his own reputation and his actions, not reported on the front page of the Rag, made many of us ISU fans uncomfortable.

 

[Angie]

First off the spread against Hampton was a hell of lot more than one point, making this observation and the rest of the allegations in this post complete nonsense. If anyone in our athletic department had any knowlege of point shaving they would have had to report it by law. To act like there were all these rumors the fans knew and the athletic department didn't is ridiculous. Do you really think we would have given Larry hundreds of thousands of dollars to walk away if any of this were remotely true. What a huge load of garbage in this thread. Its great that our own fans trash one of our greatest coaches on an ISU message board with hearsay from a bar.

Again - nobody is discounting at all what Larry did on the court. If you will read the posts in this thread, you would realize that. As I said earlier, he was drunk at the time and probably joking (whether he believed it or not, it was obviously something that he thought about, or else he wouldn't have said it). The point is that he was freaking ripped and saying anything of the sort in front of other coaches and fans. Everyone is human - there's a good side to that, and a bad.

And if you will read my earlier post, it is not third-hand. At all.

 

[Bobber]

First off the spread against Hampton was a hell of lot more than one point, making this observation and the rest of the allegations in this post complete nonsense. If anyone in our athletic department had any knowlege of point shaving they would have had to report it by law. To act like there were all these rumors the fans knew and the athletic department didn't is ridiculous. Do you really think we would have given Larry hundreds of thousands of dollars to walk away if any of this were remotely true. What a huge load of garbage in this thread. Its great that our own fans trash one of our greatest coaches on an ISU message board with hearsay from a bar.

That's on Tinsley, not LE or the Athletic department. And how exactly do you prove something like that???

You're a little naive to think those things don't happen.

I still think the Michigan State Refs were paid off when we went to the Elite 8. No way they have 0 fouls in the last 5 minutes and we have all the ones we got called for.

 

[Go2Guy]

Its great that our own fans trash one of our greatest coaches on an ISU message board with hearsay from a bar.

It's sad that some ISU supporters only measure a coaches "greatness" by what's in the trophy case.

 

[ajjohnson]

It's sad that some ISU supporters only measure a coaches "greatness" by what's in the trophy case.

And even sadder when others trash people by making felony allegations about people in their own cyclone family with ZERO evidence.

 

[Duff]

Jamie has done a good job of researching athletic ticket prices at Bit Twelve and comparable conferences. The higher prices hurt, but they are necessary.

As for Greg McDermott, I think you're old enough to know what patience means. The basketball show is only beginning, and good times are ahead.

 

[Angie]

And even sadder when others trash people by making felony allegations about people in their own cyclone family with ZERO evidence.

Who made felony allegations?!? The quote said that LE was asking someone what they thought. Nobody said LE fixed any games, or anything of the sort. If this reflects negatively on anyone, it's JT. The point of the story was that LE was ripped and talking about things like this. The point was that is not necessarily the classiest image we could portray as a university.

As far as evidence - there were about 12 other coaches in attendance.

 

[Go2Guy]

And even sadder when others trash people by making felony allegations about people in their own cyclone family with ZERO evidence.

Sounds to me like LE was the one making felony allegations against Tinsley....... but maybe LE did have evidence.

 

[ajjohnson]

Who made felony allegations?!? The quote said that LE was asking someone what they thought. Nobody said LE fixed any games, or anything of the sort. If this reflects negatively on anyone, it's JT. The point of the story was that LE was ripped and talking about things like this. The point was that is not necessarily the classiest image we could portray as a university.

As far as evidence - there were about 12 other coaches in attendance.

Several other people in this thread have said they heard JT was shaving points. My personal opinion is that its a pathetic thing to say with zero proof.

 

[jumbopackage]

The whole thread just illustrates my point about Department health.

I just don't see Pollard allowing stuff like this to go on on his watch, and regardless of wins and losses, I think it makes for a happier athletic department, and a happier fanbase in the long run, especially if we start winning.

If you want a good example of why I think Pollard is great for the university, just look at the ISU football coaching search, and compare it to Michigan's, Alabama's, Arkansas'. Would BVDV have done it better?

 

[PJZ]

...and getting the garbage out of the basketball program, and bringing in mcD

Huh?

Anyway, McDermott was hired three seasons after the LE scandal...the necessary rebuilding process would have been then. This "rebuilding" period was essentially created by Pollard.

.

 

[jumbopackage]

Several other people in this thread have said they heard JT was shaving points. My personal opinion is that its a pathetic thing to say with zero proof.

It's a perfectly accurate thing to say. There is a difference between saying "JT WAS shaving points" and "I HEARD JT was shaving points".

One implies that you know that he was. The other implies that someone told you he was (or thought he was). In this case, it was his coach.

The fact that LE said that he thought JT was shaving points is just that. A fact.

Whether he was or not is a whole separate issue. I'd think the statement by his coach that he thought he was would hold some pretty serious water though.

 

[ajjohnson]

Sounds to me like LE was the one making felony allegations against Tinsley....... but maybe LE did have evidence.

I guess its one of two things, maybe an alcoholic was drunk at a bar making a joke in poor taste or maybe we have one of the dirtiest programs in the country and paid Larry Eustachy hundreds of thousands of dollars to cover it up. Its probably impossible to know and something that should be discussed in great detail with everyone saying all the rumors they heard over the years about our athletic department on a message board with zero proof.

 

[dukeebear]

The whole point of my post was to compare the pre and post. I think that Pollard is great at marketing ISU. I will forever be a fan. I just don't want to say wait till next year ever again. We had a great run and were at least considered a "basketball school" from the early eighties until early 2000's. Hilton Magic was an incredible thing to be a part of. Now my tickets are twice as expensive and we win half as much. I will continue to pay whatever amount they tell me to pay, but I feel like the Cubs. (and/or Nebraska Football Fans.)

PS.

I don't even know my neighbor. It just got me thinking about the State of ISU athletics.

I will give McDernmott probably more than the benefit of the doubt. We have common friends.

Losing to the Colorodos and Baylors and Drakes and UNI's and scoring 11 points in a half.

I love Peterson, but a point gaurd that didn't even always start at his JUCO.

No offense, but we can't get a better recruit than that?

 

[mwitt]

...but I feel like the Cubs.

I've actually thought about this. We're not yet to the point of saying "wait until next year" every year, but if we're still saying it in 3 years or so, we're going to be close.

 

[Clone9]

One time I was drunk at a bar and the ghost of Vince Lombardi was there and he told me that Bart Starr was shaving points in Super Bowl 2.......