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CYphyllis

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surly said:
I agree that the Arizona schools should be targeted if some sort of alliance doesn't work. But a tie between the conferences for football and hoops would have wide appeal.

Folks who don't watch Ku/ISU would likely tune in to UCLA/ISU or Ku/UW and, in fact, buy a media ticket to that network.

ISU's tier 3 rights are worth $1.5 million/year, right? You don't think that improves with an aligned network package?
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To who exactly? The minimal bump from a couple of the matchups (most would be ignored by the general college fan outside of the schools regular viewership) would in no way provide some financial boon to the B12. It would bring a few extra dollars in, but it's not going to be a massive jump over the OOC games already on the schedules. Let's be real, schools aren't going to replace their OOC cupcakes for a P12 school, they would be replacing the one decent OOC game already on each schedule. There is also of course what I've already pointed out about what happened the last time the B12 got into a scheduling agreement with the P12.

Aligned network package? Your business plan on this is to align with a network that has been an absolute disaster? What? To answer your question, it doesn't improve, it gets worse.

For the life of me I can't understand your motivation. The Pac12 openly tried to **** your beloved Kansas State Wildcats and you want to now just hug it out and jump into business with them? Open your eyes to the landscape - college sports has proven to be a brutal business platform. You keep your partners close, keep everything else at arms length and pounce on the weak whenever you get the chance. If you aren't playing it like that you're the one that ends up getting left out.
 
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surly said:
I agree that the Arizona schools should be targeted if some sort of alliance doesn't work. But a tie between the conferences for football and hoops would have wide appeal.

Folks who don't watch Ku/ISU would likely tune in to UCLA/ISU or Ku/UW and, in fact, buy a media ticket to that network.

ISU's tier 3 rights are worth $1.5 million/year, right? You don't think that improves with an aligned network package?
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If they're not watching UCLA vs Washington today, why would you think they'll suddenly be interested in UCLA/ISU? I don't think you're paying attention to what you're posting. The PAC12 is sinking, why tether your anchor to that? Let them go down and take the AZ schools
 
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Clonehomer said:
If they're not watching UCLA vs Washington today, why would you think they'll suddenly be interested in UCLA/ISU? I don't think you're paying attention to what you're posting. The PAC12 is sinking, why tether your anchor to that? Let them go down and take the AZ schools
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Folks watch football out here, that might not over there. We don't have a network to show it on today. So, the idea is to meld theirs into ours and both benefit. Additionally, UT and OU get to play games against bigger names than Ku and Tech. It satisfies their needs as well. Can it make each school $10 million or so in tier 3 revenue? I don't know that answer, but ESPN might think so.
 
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surly said:
I agree that the Arizona schools should be targeted if some sort of alliance doesn't work. But a tie between the conferences for football and hoops would have wide appeal.

Folks who don't watch Ku/ISU would likely tune in to UCLA/ISU or Ku/UW and, in fact, buy a media ticket to that network.

ISU's tier 3 rights are worth $1.5 million/year, right? You don't think that improves with an aligned network package?
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I, for one, look forward to the upcoming ISU/USC rivalry to be played at the end of November each year.
 
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surly said:
Folks watch football out here, that might not over there. We don't have a network to show it on today. So, the idea is to meld theirs into ours and both benefit. Additionally, UT and OU get to play games against bigger names than Ku and Tech. It satisfies their needs as well. Can it make each school $10 million or so in tier 3 revenue? I don't know that answer, but ESPN might think so.
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OU and UT already schedule the likes of Notre Dame and Ohio State. They don't need a scheduling alliance to schedule USC.

Also, each of the B12 school make more on their third tier then each Pac12 school. Why subsidize their failure?

You're out over your skis again Surly.
 
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Clonehomer said:
If they're not watching UCLA vs Washington today, why would you think they'll suddenly be interested in UCLA/ISU? I don't think you're paying attention to what you're posting. The PAC12 is sinking, why tether your anchor to that? Let them go down and take the AZ schools
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....and the LA schools.
 
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CYphyllis

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Clonehomer said:
If they're not watching UCLA vs Washington today, why would you think they'll suddenly be interested in UCLA/ISU? I don't think you're paying attention to what you're posting. The PAC12 is sinking, why tether your anchor to that? Let them go down and take the AZ schools
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I think that's the long game results the B12 has been working towards for awhile. I fully believe the circus they put on last summer where they were openly vetting potential expansion candidates that they were never going to actually admit was nothing more than a loud distraction so they could sneak in and start poking around the Arizona/Colorado schools.
 
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....and the LA schools.
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I think the 2-hr time difference (3 hours with WVU) is going to kill off the concept of bringing just two teams from the Pacific time zone. If people in CA aren't watching Pac-12 games now, they probably aren't going to watch them 2 hours earlier (particularly basektball and the other sports that would be on the conference network).
 
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Clonehomer said:
If they're not watching UCLA vs Washington today, why would you think they'll suddenly be interested in UCLA/ISU? I don't think you're paying attention to what you're posting. The PAC12 is sinking, why tether your anchor to that? Let them go down and take the AZ schools
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Is there a $/school advantage to having both of them or does picking 1 from AZ and 1 from a separate state deliver better financial results? Wonder what WV would think about adding AZ to places to travel to.
 
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jbhtexas said:
I think the 2-hr time difference (3 hours with WVU) is going to kill off the concept of bringing just two teams from the Pacific time zone. If people in CA aren't watching Pac-12 games now, they probably aren't going to watch them 2 hours earlier (particularly basektball and the other sports that would be on the conference network).
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If the Big 12 can bring in a population center with almost 20 million people I'd give it a shot.

USC jerseys were everywhere when they were winning. The Rose Bowl and Coliseum have a major league feel on game day.

There are more people in LA who don't have cable than the entire Phoenix market. I'd jump on UCLA, USC, ASU and UofA.
 
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A merger with the Pac is the most idiotic idea considering they were plotting to lure half our conference away a few years ago. My vote is to lure Arizona and ASU to the Big 12. Both are decent football schools and Arizona is a traditionally good basketball program. The only issue (which you will get with any Pac school) is adding another timezone but I think the networks will find a way to make it work between WVU and the Arizonas if it will make more money. 5 years ago people would have laughed about the thought of Arizona and ASU to the Big 12 but now it's not only plausible but definitely possible given what the Big 12 is bringing in vs the Pac. The Big 12 needs to be proactive for once and now may be the best time to make a move.
 
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surly said:
USC and UCLA are not splitting from Stanford, Cal and that league. I mean, come-on.
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Rick Neuheisel floated the idea last year.

If money is the issue then all bets are off. It would be worth a phone call. Likely? Nah. But still worth a call
 
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jbhtexas said:
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The two-hour timezone difference just isn't that appealing with the west coast teams.
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Keep in mind that the AZ schools are in that time zone more than half the year.

Id love to suddenly find myself in big 12 country but am not sure these 2 adds are the obvious best.
 
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