Pac12/Big12 alliance continues to make sense ...
- Thread starter surly
- Start date
The PAC 12 is slowly crumbling. Go look at some of the PAC-12 revenue numbers that were released. If that continues, I can see 6 of the strongest schools wanting out, and we have a conference with the most space available for a landing where they can stick together.
Would. Never. Happen.
If you are still of the opinion that BYU and/or Boise could end up in the Pac X, you haven't been paying attention the last decade. It is public knowledge the entire coalition led by Stanford and Cal would never allow either school into the conference - not BYU (and especially BYU) because they are a religious university, and not Boise because there are community colleges with better academics than Boise. Not to mention they don't have the audience. For whatever reason people have gotten it in their heads that somehow BU is this school on par with Notre Dame in terms of nationwide viewership when in reality it is a small fraction. Not nearly enough people care, or they'd already be in a relevant conference, or at least would be a high profile independent - which they are not. And as far as Boise, how many people outside of Boise care anymore now that their football team isn't exactly relevant anymore.
The only reason the Pac-12 has remained together is geography. The Big 12 might be considered the weakest of the P5 conferences, but the Pac-12 is the worst run.
Air miles Phoenix to Seattle 1108; Spokane 1022; Portland 1011; SFO 651; LAX 370
Phoenix to Des Moines 1149; MHK 943; DFW 867; Austin 871; OKC 833; Lubbock 588
Phoenix to Des Moines 1149; MHK 943; DFW 867; Austin 871; OKC 833; Lubbock 588
Last edited:
It's interesting, but a full on merger would never happen. Baylor and TCU would not be included due to the Cal schools not wanting a religious school. If they were open to religious schools, BYU would be in the PAC already.
An alliance makes far more sense to avoid the layers of issues surrounding a merger, like religion. With an alliance, the conferences could build a television network around football and MBB, while leaving the other sports within their current leagues.
Last edited:
Please stop using acronyms understood only by youngsters in their 140 character world. Thank you.
I wouldn't lump TCU and Baylor into the same conversation as BYU. For BYU it all starts and stops with their scheduling challenges since they won't schedule events on Sunday's. No P5 conference needs BYU bad enough to have to cater to their requests.
That seals it. I am now convinced I know why Surly was so staunchly defending Snyder during his tantrum over a player transferring. Surly is Bill.
The P12 libs would not tolerate the BU and BYU affiliations but they might take on TCU whose affiliation with Disciples of Christ is "loose". And if you visit their website's home page, there is little to no mention of that affiliation and "Texas Christian University" is only mentioned in fine print at the bottom of the home page: http://www.tcu.edu/. And their Church Ties page suggests religious independence: http://www.tcu.edu/96.asp.
Visit the Baylor and BYU websites and their messages are very different regarding their affiliations.
Last edited:
The team with more points would be ISU!But how would viewers be able to distinguish which team is which? They dress exactly alike, y'know.
This is a source that appears to have very good research and up to date numbers. Unlike Pollard mixing FY's in the tweet. Although they are using the lower Big XII number in 2016 when the conference said ~ $31 million. So I would suspect that the $34 million will be less than that number.
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/...e-to-sec-big-ten-is-real-and-its-spectacular/
2016 (actual)
SEC: $40.5 million
Big Ten: $34.8 million
Pac-12: $28.7 million
Big 12: $28.45 million
(The ACC has not reported FY16.)
2017 (projected)
SEC: $44 million
Big Ten: $38 million
Big 12: $34 million (per commissioner Bob Bowlsby)
Pac-12: $29.5 million
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/...e-to-sec-big-ten-is-real-and-its-spectacular/
2016 (actual)
SEC: $40.5 million
Big Ten: $34.8 million
Pac-12: $28.7 million
Big 12: $28.45 million
(The ACC has not reported FY16.)
2017 (projected)
SEC: $44 million
Big Ten: $38 million
Big 12: $34 million (per commissioner Bob Bowlsby)
Pac-12: $29.5 million
Why would schools care about religious affiliation? Byu has some really good academic prpgrams.
Stanford and usc already play notre dame every year. Usc started out affiliated with the methodist church.
They won't. The only reason religious schools keep getting brought up is because of BYU's stance on not participating in events on Sundays, which has hurt them realignment wise.
It absolutely will. Pretty common knowledge when it comes to realignment actually. The Sunday thing has very little to do with it.
BYU also has an honor code that's considered dishonorable by the secularists. There's zero chance they'd ever get in the PAC conference, none.
Because the LDS discriminates agaisnst people who are gay. Also, the Academics in the Pac are suspicious of any academics that occur on a Mormon campus no matter how good they're purported to be. Also, Stanford and USC play ND...they don't affiliate with them as conference members. Just like BYU it's doubtful SC, UCLA, Stanford or especially Cal would consider ND to be a partner in anything where they have equal voting rights.
Last edited:
Still bringing those message board level hot takes I see. Do you honestly think that if the P12 falls on hard times and their only financial option is to take on a school such as BYU that they would allow something as petty as ideological differences get in the way of money?
Push comes to shove, money is winning that fight every single time.
