*** Official Chicago State vs #9 IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

[Halincandenza]

Also, thought Kalscheur played how he needs to start playing. He was great at getting other guys easy buckets last night and didn't force shots. Him and Hunter had too many TOs but I think that was just lack of concentration.
Hunter has had a couple down games in a row. I don't know if it is how teams are defending him now or whether he he just kind of hit a mini Freshman wall?

 

[BryceC]

Also, thought Kalscheur played how he needs to start playing. He was great at getting other guys easy buckets last night and didn't force shots. Him and Hunter had too many TOs but I think that was just lack of concentration.
Hunter has had a couple down games in a row. I don't know if it is how teams are defending him now or whether he he just kind of hit a mini Freshman wall?

The way we play has to be taxing. It would make sense that it would effect a freshman more than other people. He just hasn't had the time in a strength and conditioning program the others have.

I think the break will be good for this team. I hope they get away a bit.

 

[twincyties]

If there was an award for non con coach of the year, it would most certainly go to Otz. What an incredible job and also congrats to the kids who really worked hard and bought in. Also think Brockington, as Scott mentioned, hasn't gotten the attention nationally that he deserves. If I was making a midseason all american team he would be on my second team.

His first 12 games are truly impressive. If we were the big brand team the national media would be gushing over him. 17 points, 8 boards, 1.5 steals, shooting 50% from the field and 40% from 3. How many in the country are putting up those numbers?

 

[FarmClone]

His first 12 games are truly impressive. If we were the big brand team the national media would be gushing over him. 17 points, 8 boards, 1.5 steals, shooting 50% from the field and 40% from 3. How many in the country are putting up those numbers?

Granted we haven’t hit big 12 play yet so IBs numbers will probably drop a bit but for reference Melvin Ejim’s cpoty numbers were
17.8 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 1.2 spg. Hopefully he can keep it up.

 

[twincyties]

Granted we haven’t hit big 12 play yet so IBs numbers will probably drop a bit but for reference Melvin Ejim’s cpoty numbers were
17.8 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 1.2 spg. Hopefully he can keep it up.

Very similar numbers and really good comparison. IB slightly better from 3 thus far but nearly identical overall shooting percentage. This really drives home how good of a year he is having.

 

[WhoISthis]

Hunter has had a couple down games in a row. I don't know if it is how teams are defending him now or whether he he just kind of hit a mini Freshman wall?

I think it is largely how defenses are playing. He is not a shooter and doesn't have a floater, so teams are either playing off him enough, or even zone. With Gabe shooting poorly on the wing, having Conditt set a ball screen for Hunter is just not going to work against most defenses.

 

[twincyties]

I think it is largely how defenses are playing. He is not a shooter and doesn't have a floater, so teams are either playing off him enough, or even zone. With Gabe shooting poorly on the wing, having Conditt set a ball screen for Hunter is just not going to work against most defenses.

Scott was talking about this during the game last night. Paraphrasing, but said with 3 pointer not being a big part of his game he just doesn’t score as well against a zone. But that return to more man defense in big 12 will change that. agree with both of you.

The good news is that he’s mature for a freshman and doesn’t really force. A lot do young players get impatient and think if they’re not scoring they’re not contributing. Then make mistakes that prove costly.

another sign of good coaching with this team. Thankfully, Jaz and Caleb recent shooting has helped against the zone looks.

Feel like Monte was similar to Hunter in that regard (not being a big threat against the zone but doesn’t press it) but his 3 point production increased over time (similar percentages although higher attempts). If Hunter develops into a 35-40 percent shooter from deep watch out.

 

[MeowingCows]

Also, thought Kalscheur played how he needs to start playing. He was great at getting other guys easy buckets last night and didn't force shots. Him and Hunter had too many TOs but I think that was just lack of concentration.
Hunter has had a couple down games in a row. I don't know if it is how teams are defending him now or whether he he just kind of hit a mini Freshman wall?

Kalscheur had 8 assists last night, right? That's a solid role for him to be playing. Need another credible pass/playmaking threat than just Hunter.

 

[CloniesForLife]

I think it is largely how defenses are playing. He is not a shooter and doesn't have a floater, so teams are either playing off him enough, or even zone. With Gabe shooting poorly on the wing, having Conditt set a ball screen for Hunter is just not going to work against most defenses.

Yeah to take a big step forward he's going to have to develop a respectable 3 pt shot and a couple tricks around the basket.

 

[WhoISthis]

Scott was talking about this during the game last night. Paraphrasing, but said with 3 pointer not being a big part of his game he just doesn’t score as well against a zone. But that return to more man defense in big 12 will change that. agree with both of you.

The good news is that he’s mature for a freshman and doesn’t really force. A lot do young players get impatient and think if they’re not scoring they’re not contributing. Then make mistakes that prove costly.

another sign of good coaching with this team. Thankfully, Jaz and Caleb recent shooting has helped against the zone looks.

Feel like Monte was similar to Hunter in that regard (not being a big threat against the zone but doesn’t press it) but his 3 point production increased over time (similar percentages although higher attempts). If Hunter develops into a 35-40 percent shooter from deep watch out.

Morris did shoot 40% as a freshman, but only 29% in conference play. I think the bigger difference was his role was not the primary pg. Kane was the pg and shot 39% on 3Ps- plus much better at finishing- that is big for an offense.

One thing about that 2013-14 year though, is although nearly every player was a "threat" from the outside, as a team they weren't very good shooters in conference play. Although still much better than what we've seen from Gabe and Hunter, and the non-shooters (Conditt/Jones/Enaruna). Can Gabe and Hunter really even go down?

Kane 37%
Thomas 33%
Ejim 31%
Hogue 31%
Naz 31%
Georges 30%
Morris 29%

 

[twincyties]

In regards to your question about Gabe, I don’t know.

I’ve made this point several times, but it’s possible Gabe is who Gabe is at this point - at least as a three point shooting threat. He’s declined as a shooter since Freshman year and performance this year is on par with the last two years. We’re not talking about small sample sizes, lack of playing time, lack of shots. It’s a trend - not a slump. Memphis game was really the exception.

he gets a lot of good looks. I’d say anecdotally more wide open ones with his feet already set than Grill who is often coming off a screen or Brockington who’s been at 40% despite a lot being contested and/or late in the shot clock where he’s had to create it.

His mechanics look off and he gets a ton of arc on his shot. Obviously don’t want to be flat but I don’t recall a really good shooter with that much arc. Most you can tel the minute he lets it go. They’re not the in-and-our variety that we saw a lot with Thomas early in his career where you think “damn, that looked good the whole way”. They’re often just off target.

 

[WhoISthis]

In regards to your question about Gabe, I don’t know.

I’ve made this point several times, but it’s possible Gabe is who Gabe is at this point - at least as a three point shooting threat. He’s declined as a shooter since Freshman year and performance this year is on par with the last two years. We’re not talking about small sample sizes, lack of playing time, lack of shots. It’s a trend - not a slump. Memphis game was really the exception.

he gets a lot of good looks. I’d say anecdotally more wide open ones with his feet already set than Grill who is often coming off a screen or Brockington who’s been at 40% despite a lot being contested and/or late in the shot clock where he’s had to create it.

His mechanics look off and he gets a ton of arc on his shot. Obviously don’t want to be flat but I don’t recall a really good shooter with that much arc. Most you can tel the minute he lets it go. They’re not the in-and-our variety that we saw a lot with Thomas early in his career where you think “damn, that looked good the whole way”. They’re often just off target.

Right, this is basically Gabe. I'd be shocked if he "found" his Minnesota underclassman touch.

I am hoping is he is in a slump though, compounding things. His form isn't great, and worse yet, not consistent. Maybe he finds it, and gets in a groove for a few games, getting closer to 30%.

We need him to have those big games at opportune times.

 

[VeloClone]

Totally agree on the opposing team thing. Like learning about which conference they play in and some of their recent games.

After Hawkeye nephew said Iowa was playing SELA last night I mentioned that I didn't remember teams coming to the upper Midwest and playing a raft of games in the area on one trip as much as we have seen that lately. He said he hadn't noticed that, so I explained some of the teams' trips playing Iowa, ISU, Drake, UNI, Creighton, etc. He said he wasn't aware of that. Yeah, with hawkeye and big 10 network announcing I'm sure they aren't giving viewers any information about the opposing teams - where they've been and where they are going.

 

[twincyties]

You make a good point which is when those games come. We’ve had 7 guys now go off in a game. I have been beyond pleasantly surprised with that as I was really worried about depth this year. Gabes game against Memphis was huge, in part, because of the timing. Best win at that time (so we thought) and others struggling a bit. We don’t need it every night but are going to need another one for the Baylor, KU, Texas caliber games.

my bigger concern with him is the turnovers, to be honest. For a senior who is not primary ball handler he’s had a lot of unforced errors.

 

[VeloClone]

As far as Gabe goes, I noticed last night he was shaking his head after he made a shot. It is almost to the point that he is more relieved when a shot goes in than anything else. No confidence right now.

 

[madguy30]

Texas only up 4 on Alabama State at half.

 

[CycloneRulzzz]

 

[Clyde4cy]

Steve still got paid!