*** Official #3 IOWA STATE vs Iowa Game(Day) Thread ***

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The little squakeyes are probably a bubble team. They are currently 45th in KenPom and 29th in Offensive Efficiency, gave 14th ranked Michigan all they could handle on the road. I think the Big 10 is rather "meh", so if the Hoks can keep up their scoring pace, there's a path for them to get to the dance. The point I was driving at was that that Cyclones beating a decent team on the road is commendable. Hopefully this will hold up as a quad 1 win come tournament seeding time.
Big 10 had or has 10 teams that are either ranked or are receiving votes. It's just deep enough and just above average enough to make the hoks go under .500 in league play. They needed a signature win against us last night in the worst way which makes it even better. I think they just miss the tourney again this year.
 
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It was nice hearing the announcer hyping up our players even when we’re behind. Raftery is really high on our team. Bet there were a lot of Hawk fans complaining about how much love he was giving our players.

He knew it was a bunch of local kids chucking 3s in a their Super Bowl vs a loaded ISU team.
 
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Its part of why NCSOS is such a poor metric.

Everyone has a mix of quality games and terrible buy games, but our buy games are atrocious so that metric gets dragged down.

Teams that play a slate of 200-ish buy games are no more likely to lose than a team scheduling 300s, but the team playing 200s gets a bump in SOS.

Resume metrics that correct this effect are metrics like SOR and WAB, where we are 16 and 8, respectively

The problem I have with NCSOS and even how NET uses 4 quads is that we are saying that a win over the #150 team is significantly better than a win win over the #300 team and that's just simply not true. They are both bad teams that anyone in the tournament discussion should handle easily. For NET quads 3 and 4 should be combined and weighted the same.
 
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The problem I have with NCSOS and even how NET uses 4 quads is that we are saying that a win over the #150 team is significantly better than a win win over the #300 team and that's just simply not true. They are both bad teams that anyone in the tournament discussion should handle easily. For NET quads 3 and 4 should be combined and weighted the same.

Yeah, I think we are saying the same thing different ways.

I could get behind that, or maybe way wins the same but penalize quad 4 losses more
 

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On the last foul on CuJo, Fran’s angry gesticulation is timed so perfectly with the fam yelling “BOO!” that it almost seems like Fran is booing :mccaffery:
The only unfortunate thing about last night was we didn't get a Fran blowup. He gives the appearance of a guy that's just punching the clock this year and he's gone after this.
 
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The problem I have with NCSOS and even how NET uses 4 quads is that we are saying that a win over the #150 team is significantly better than a win win over the #300 team and that's just simply not true. They are both bad teams that anyone in the tournament discussion should handle easily. For NET quads 3 and 4 should be combined and weighted the same.
Completely disagree.

Not saying that top teams shouldn't beat them but there is a huge budget and talent difference between a mid-level A10, Valley, MW team (approx 150) and a SWAC or MEAC team (300+). If there wasn't a difference, buy games wouldn't cost drastically different amounts and Power League schools wouldn't be bailing out of MTEs where there are teams from the true mid-major conferences.

Looking at the NET and you were a bubble team that absolutely had to have a win would you rather play Illinois State (147, $4M budget) or Colorado State (149, $6M budget) or would you rather play Florida A&M (301, $1.1M budget) or Western Illinois (307, $990k budget)?

Quads are set appropriately and to the level of competition they provide.
 

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Not going to check the whole thread if somebody else posted this:
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TJ really knows how to work the refs. He calmly gets explanations and then calmly discusses concerns. It reflects in his team when they get called with a foul his guy rarely question. When a guy like Sandfort gets called he complains almost every time. Interesting
 
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