*** Official #3 IOWA STATE vs Arizona Game(Day) Thread ***

[NoCreativity]

buddy one of us has proven to be clueless on this sight, and its not me. I took it down to reword some things

Yes, we are now 2 games behind Houston, but they have a much tougher second half schedule than we do.

Real talk though, i honestly dont know how Torvik works. Heres what i can see today and we are 3rd, unless im on the wrong screen

It's "site", not "sight", you know like website not eyesight. Kind of weird being called clueless after that but whatever.

I'll be civil, if you go to his T-Ranketology tab you can see Houston is projected as a1 right now and we are a 2. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's based off projections, not a snapshot of right now.

So as you can see, Houston is very much in the running for a 1 seed right now and is a favorite to reach that.

There's still over 50% of the season left so alot can can change. Its not so much that the loss hurt us, it's that we were denied one of the signature wins in the entire country on some fluke play. That could have really been a deciding factor if we end up competing with them for a 1 seed.

 

[fsanford]

Probably about right. About 5% or 6%. What are their chances of making any kind of shot after a missed FT by Jefferson? Now you are talking about a less than 1% chance.

But if they do you lose in regulation. Then people have a complaint about that.

Any one of the scenarios discussed had a very low percentage of succeeding for Arizona.
Flukes happen in sports

 

[Clonefan32]

what the ****?

I just love the general notion of "stepping up". Like Heise just has to try a little harder on his 3s and they will start going in.

They are all giving full effort. They all desperately want to win. Sometimes the ball doesn't go in. That's basketball.

 

[NENick]

Jackson didn't play great but idk if he's regressed. Chatfield has really, really struggled and is almost not playable at this point. Now, I think that he can bounce back and I'm not counting him out, but he has to be better for us.

I thought Jackson was fine. He's not an all-american. He comes out for end-of-game situations when TJ goes with Heise or Watson in a small defensive lineup.
Chatfield is a 8-10 minute banger. Does what he was brought to do. Has had a couple rough outings.

 

[RagingCloner]

It's "site", not "sight", you know like website not eyesight. Kind of weird being called clueless after that but whatever.

I'll be civil, if you go to his T-Ranketology tab you can see Houston is projected as a1 right now and we are a 2. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's based off projections, not a snapshot of right now.

So as you can see, Houston is very much in the running for a 1 seed right now and is a favorite to reach that.

I was up till 1 AM watching a basketball game. the last thing i care about right now is spelling.

Ill go look at that, thanks.

It does say its based on projection, and it has us as the 2 seed in Milwaukee. Honestly, if we dont get a one seed, i feel like thats not a bad consolation prize. We dont have a Hilton NE yet

 

[StLouisClone]

Based on your extensive research, I’m sure.

Franchilla suggested missing the 2nd FT during the broadcast. If you're old like me, you remember the Christian Laettner shot that Duke made off their inbound pass. I just didn't like making that 2nd FT with only 2 seconds left. I'm ready to move on. It was a lucky shot.

 

[Clonefan32]

I thought Jackson was fine. He's not an all-american. He comes out for end-of-game situations when TJ goes with Heise or Watson in a small defensive lineup.
Chatfield is a 8-10 minute banger. Does what he was brought to do. Has had a couple rough outings.

The one and only complain I have on Dishon, and maybe this is more about his usage than him personally, but I seem to recall one thing he did well last year was mid-range shooting. I guess I was expecting more of an ability to face up and shoot out of the high post, but that's fine. He gives us plenty down low.

 

[fsanford]

Silver lining the fact that Watson gets so much quality time will only make team stronger come tournament time.

They have such a variety of lineups they can play.
Didn't think it was possible but feel better about the team now than I did a couple of weeks ago.
I look at things long term not so much game by game

 

[madguy30]

The chances that Love would make that shot were greater than the 1% or 2% many are claiming on here. Love had his momentum going straight toward the basket, and he was looking right at it.

That was the perfect situation to use your final timeout after Jefferson missed the first FT. Tell Jefferson to miss the 2nd FT and have 2 or 3 guys ready to trap whoever got the rebound (without fouling). The coaches and players will both learn from this. ISU also can't expect to win many games with 18 turnovers.

Call a time out for them to plan a set like ISU did at Tech?

That shot can't be more than 5% going in unguarded.

What if ISU fouls and he gets the shot up for three free throws?

 

[Clonefan32]

Franchilla suggested missing the 2nd FT during the broadcast. If you're old like me, you remember the Christian Laettner shot that Duke made off their inbound pass. I just didn't like making that 2nd FT with only 2 seconds left. I'm ready to move on. It was a lucky shot.

That's the only one I maybe question a tiny bit. It would require a well executed miss to really matter, but ideally it requires their bigs to rebound it and leaves your guards in a better position to deny the pass from the big to the guard. In that case, if you foul denying the guard the ball it's probably fine. Or you miss it and totally sell out on the rebound and live with an over-the-back if you commit one.

 

[RagingCloner]

I completely disagree with this post.
Except for the "buzzard beater" part, which made me chuckle.

Is beating the buzzard similar to choking the chicken?

 

[AllInForISU]

The one and only complain I have on Dishon, and maybe this is more about his usage than him personally, but I seem to recall one thing he did well last year was mid-range shooting. I guess I was expecting more of an ability to face up and shoot out of the high post, but that's fine. He gives us plenty down low.

This level of competition makes it significantly harder for him to do that. Similar reason to why Heise is struggling offensively, it’s a different animal in the Big 12.

 

[StLouisClone]

No way. I can't even believe this is a serious debate. Let's say 1.5 seconds wind up left. Hit the first, miss the second and you have time to catch, collect and go back up. That's a way higher likelihood (especially with a team with 2 7 footers and the best offensive rebounder in the country) than bombing in a contested 60 footer.

What? I am talking about Jefferson missing his 2nd FT intentionally

 

[Fishhead]

I got nothing to add besides my hot take of “that sucked”

 

[Statefan10]

That 1% is based on average fan. In the NBA odds of a half court shot is between 6 and 7%. The best of the best. College is probably a couple points lower.

It's about 10-12% for same NBA to tip. Probably less for college

End of day neither is likely.

Listening to TJ he seems fine with his decision.

I saw that but isn't that half court? He wasn't at half court he was 3/4 court which is much tougher than half court.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

No. You play it exactly the same 1000 times out of 1000. You never, I repeat, never foul in a situation where the opponent has to shoot from behind half court. Honestly, anyone suggesting anything different is just playing the hindsight is 20/20 game.

No you don't foul on the play, but I wonder if TJ is thinking they should have double teamed Love, he was their best 3 point shooter, force the other kid to get the ball and try the shot.

Lot of little things caught up to us in the end, we missed FT's all night long, had way to many TO's and gave up too many 2nd chance shots, but in the end we almost held on for the win.

 

[StLouisClone]

I saw that but isn't that half court? He wasn't at half court he was 3/4 court which is much tougher than half court.

Love landed on the Arizona "A". It was just 10 feet beyond the half court line.

 

[AllInForISU]

No you don't foul on the play, but I wonder if TJ is thinking they should have double teamed Love, he was their best 3 point shooter, force the other kid to get the ball and try the shot.

Lot of little things caught up to us in the end, we missed FT's all night long, had way to many TO's and gave up too many 2nd chance shots, but in the end we almost held on for the win.

Maybe, but you forced their shooter to catch the ball going to the opposite end line, he didn’t get a head full of steam, shot a contested 3/4 shot and just buried it.

And yea, if Jefferson makes both free throws there, it doesn’t even matter. A lot of things lead to that being even a possibility to happen.

 

[fsanford]

I got nothing to add besides my hot take of “that sucked”

Best summation I have seen

 

[crs8975]

When Fred was coach.....I can't remember his name from Okie State, but was one the nations best free throw shooters miss the back end of a 1-1 only to have Naz Long go down and tie it up at the buzzer and then ISU going on and winning in OT after being behind a majority of the game.

Crap happens.

I do believe that was the Marcus Flop game? Or one of them? And then he fouled out and we won. I might be getting a couple of games mixed up. But yes... I was immediately thinking of that Naz-3 to go to OT and then us winning. Hilton was fired up.