*** Official #3 IOWA STATE vs Arizona Game(Day) Thread ***

[JRE1975]

If we end up as a 2 seed, I want in the region where Duke is the #1 seed.

As I watched the game last night, I started to realize how good this team really is this year. This team has yet to play what I would consider a good complete game, but they tough it out to take what the other team is giving you and still almost won this game.

We lost this game because Arizona had #30, who is an outstanding offensive rebounder, and Arizona's strategy of making someone other then Jones and Jefferson win this game worked in the first half. The results of the 2 strategies was a 16-0 run by Arizona in the 1st half.

In the 2nd half, Jefferson figured out how to get his game going, Jones couldn't. But as has been the case all year, others stepped up and played good enough to win.

Arizona got lucky, and sometimes that is enough! I look forward to them experiencing Hilton in March.

 

[cayin]

Is it? Iowa State and Houston were the only highly ranked teams last year, just like this year. Baylor, Texas Tech, Kansas and BYU were fringe top 20-25 teams.
It's pretty much the same this year. Iowa State and Houston with Kansas, Texas Tech, Baylor and now Arizona being the top 25 teams. West Virginia and BYU could be tourney teams as well, the conference is about the same as last year.

Iowa State also has the Marquette win on their resume in the OOC this year as opposed to, what, last year.
There's room for error for 2-3 more losses to still be in line for a 1 seed. Two will likely come from the SEC, probably Duke who has much less room for error than Iowa State because of their weak conference, and then who, Iowa State or Houston most likely. Maybe Michigan State has an outside shot but they have very little on their resume. Another team with not much room for error.
Most of the strength of college basketball is in the SEC, remarkably so, and we won't see 3 teams from the same conference as a 1 seed.

you don't think there is a bigger bottom this year? Plus we got Houston twice in the regular season.

 

[Clonefan32]

If we end up as a 2 seed, I want in the region where Duke is the #1 seed.

As I watched the game last night, I started to realize how good this team really is this year. This team has yet to play what I would consider a good complete game, but they tough it out to take what the other team is giving you and still almost won this game.

We lost this game because Arizona had #30, who is an outstanding offensive rebounder, and Arizona's strategy of making someone other then Jones and Jefferson win this game worked in the first half. The results of the 2 strategies was a 16-0 run by Arizona in the 1st half.

In the 2nd half, Jefferson figured out how to get his game going, Jones couldn't. But as has been the case all year, others stepped up and played good enough to win.

Arizona got lucky, and sometimes that is enough! I look forward to them experiencing Hilton in March.

Duke is skating by against bad competition right now. When they play Illinois in February it will be their first ranked game in 2 1/2 months.

With their youth, that's a team I wouldn't mind getting a shot at in March.

 

[clone4sure]

IMO, quick turnaround game on the road and a very lucky half court shot for OT. they will regroup and learn from this. we are a highly ranked team and will get each teams A game, look at how Iowa played us and where they are now.

 

[StLouisClone]

The chances that Love would make that shot were greater than the 1% or 2% many are claiming on here. Love had his momentum going straight toward the basket, and he was looking right at it.

That was the perfect situation to use your final timeout after Jefferson missed the first FT. Tell Jefferson to miss the 2nd FT and have 2 or 3 guys ready to trap whoever got the rebound (without fouling). The coaches and players will both learn from this. ISU also can't expect to win many games with 18 turnovers.

 

[Drew0311]

If we end up as a 2 seed, I want in the region where Duke is the #1 seed.

As I watched the game last night, I started to realize how good this team really is this year. This team has yet to play what I would consider a good complete game, but they tough it out to take what the other team is giving you and still almost won this game.

We lost this game because Arizona had #30, who is an outstanding offensive rebounder, and Arizona's strategy of making someone other then Jones and Jefferson win this game worked in the first half. The results of the 2 strategies was a 16-0 run by Arizona in the 1st half.

In the 2nd half, Jefferson figured out how to get his game going, Jones couldn't. But as has been the case all year, others stepped up and played good enough to win.

Arizona got lucky, and sometimes that is enough! I look forward to them experiencing Hilton in March.

Didn't help that Jones was horribly off last night. Jones didn't just get guarded well. There was that but Jones even when wide open was off badly. He should several bricks. Which btw is fine. He deserved an off night after carrying us the last few weeks. I agree on the Duke thing. With Milan, we beat Duke on a Neutral court.

 

[NoCreativity]

@RagingCloner

What happened to your post? Realized you were clueless and deleted it?

So I'll respond, just go to Torvick and you'll see that not only are they close to a 1 seed, but they are actually predicted as the 3rd #1 seed behind Auburn and Duke.

In case you haven't looked at the standings either we are now 2 games behind them. We have alot of work to do now and we need them to start taking losses as early as Wednesday night.

 

[awd4cy]

Didn't help that Jones was horribly off last night. Jones didn't just get guarded well. There was that but Jones even when wide open was off badly. He should several bricks. Which btw is fine. He deserved an off night after carrying us the last few weeks. I agree on the Duke thing. With Milan, we beat Duke on a Neutral court.

Sometimes when you are guarded really well like Curtis was last night, it frustrates you and when you are finally open it still just doesn’t go in. They really guarded him tight all night.

 

[awd4cy]

The chances that Love would make that shot were greater than the 1% or 2% many are claiming on here. Love had his momentum going straight toward the basket, and he was looking right at it.

That was the perfect situation to use your final timeout after Jefferson missed the first FT. Tell Jefferson to miss the 2nd FT and have 2 or 3 guys ready to trap whoever got the rebound (without fouling). The coaches and players will both learn from this. ISU also can't expect to win many games with 18 turnovers.

Let love shoot that 60 footer 50 times and I bet he makes 2-3 max

 

[AllInForISU]

The chances that Love would make that shot were greater than the 1% or 2% many are claiming on here. Love had his momentum going straight toward the basket, and he was looking right at it.

That was the perfect situation to use your final timeout after Jefferson missed the first FT. Tell Jefferson to miss the 2nd FT and have 2 or 3 guys ready to trap whoever got the rebound (without fouling). The coaches and players will both learn from this. ISU also can't expect to win many games with 18 turnovers.

No. You play it exactly the same 1000 times out of 1000. You never, I repeat, never foul in a situation where the opponent has to shoot from behind half court. Honestly, anyone suggesting anything different is just playing the hindsight is 20/20 game.

 

[fsanford]

Odds of hitting that length of a shot is like 1%. I would think getting a tip in after a missed FT would be higher than that.

That 1% is based on average fan. In the NBA odds of a half court shot is between 6 and 7%. The best of the best. College is probably a couple points lower.

It's about 10-12% for same NBA to tip. Probably less for college

End of day neither is likely.

Listening to TJ he seems fine with his decision.

 

[fsanford]

The chances that Love would make that shot were greater than the 1% or 2% many are claiming on here. Love had his momentum going straight toward the basket, and he was looking right at it.

That was the perfect situation to use your final timeout after Jefferson missed the first FT. Tell Jefferson to miss the 2nd FT and have 2 or 3 guys ready to trap whoever got the rebound (without fouling). The coaches and players will both learn from this. ISU also can't expect to win many games with 18 turnovers.

It's closer to 5%. But that is still low

 

[NYCYFan]

you don't think there is a bigger bottom this year? Plus we got Houston twice in the regular season.

There's only a bigger bottom because teams are losing a lot of Big 12 games. For instance, Cincinnati was 10-1 out of conference and ranked highly, Arizona State 9-2, West Virginia 9-2, BYU 9-2.

The top and middle of the conference are similar to last year, plus Iowa State has the big win against Marquette this season OOC and no bad losses unlike last year when they had no quality wins OOC and a bad loss to Virginia Tech so there's room for error for a 5-6 loss Iowa State team to get a 1 seed especially if they win the Hilton South tournament even if they don't win the regular season championship.

 

[RagingCloner]

@RagingCloner

What happened to your post? Realized you were clueless and deleted it?

So I'll respond, just go to Torvick and you'll see that not only are they close to a 1 seed, but they are actually predicted as the 3rd #1 seed behind Auburn and Duke.

In case you haven't looked at the standings either we are now 2 games behind them. We have alot of work to do now and we need them to start taking losses as early as Wednesday night.

buddy one of us has proven to be clueless on this sight, and its not me. I took it down to reword some things

Yes, we are now 2 games behind Houston, but they have a much tougher second half schedule than we do.

Real talk though, i honestly dont know how Torvik works. Heres what i can see today and we are 3rd, unless im on the wrong screen

 

[StLouisClone]

Let love shoot that 60 footer 50 times and I bet he makes 2-3 max

Probably about right. About 5% or 6%. What are their chances of making any kind of shot after a missed FT by Jefferson? Now you are talking about a less than 1% chance.

 

[AllInForISU]

Probably about right. About 5% or 6%. What are their chances of making any kind of shot after a missed FT by Jefferson? Now you are talking about a less than 1% chance.

Based on your extensive research, I’m sure.

 

[Cloned4Life]

And there is no guarantee we lose at Kansas and Houston

Let things play out. Other teams will lose too...

If we win @KU and @Houston, it makes up for these last 2 losses completely.

 

[bawbie]

There's a lot of players that need to step their game up. Time to start pulling your own weight and stop hanging on the coat tails of the team.

what the ****?

 

[cyclones500]

That's the type of loss that makes me think, "F*** it, I'm going to stop following sports."

That occasional, internal vow never seems to last long. Sometimes, it requires 24 hours or so before I'm firmly back on the horse.

 

[Clonefan32]

Probably about right. About 5% or 6%. What are their chances of making any kind of shot after a missed FT by Jefferson? Now you are talking about a less than 1% chance.

No way. I can't even believe this is a serious debate. Let's say 1.5 seconds wind up left. Hit the first, miss the second and you have time to catch, collect and go back up. That's a way higher likelihood (especially with a team with 2 7 footers and the best offensive rebounder in the country) than bombing in a contested 60 footer.