Who did you hear this from? John Smith with 13 followers on Twitter? Tyrese is not going anywhere, you people gotta calm down.
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Gotta ask, do you have information to back that up or just not going to believe the rumors?
Why should they? No offense to your comment, but we pay for tickets and donations for seats now we have to pay for the players? At some point, you proce me out of my fandom and will lose interest.
I would rather pay for the expenses of my kids and family than pay for college athletes. I thought it was the athletes job to create his own brand.
Starts at the top. JP is one of us. He’s great at keeping costs down, he’s not a guy you hire to increase revenue.
Facilities are a totally different thing, and that should have been a part of JP’s messaging the moment NIL surfaced.
Cheap fans know they can’t make a significant difference in 8 or 9 figure facility costs, they’re looking for a deal. Nothing is a bigger deal in fans spending money to watch good teams than spending on players.
Those ticket prices that have climbed in order to pay for things to attract players- time to ask fans to give x percentage to the NIL fund, and JP will lower your ticket cost by that amount. That’s a message board version, given your profession I’m sure you know there’s numerous ways around the current compliance (that’s only temporary and likely not enforced anyway)
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But Jp and the AD are supposed to be separate of the NIL stuff.
There’s a group trying to organize a NIL fund and in the email to us they stressed it needs to be separate and not attached in any way to the university.
It needs to be in compliance, not separate. Not hard to do while still having it be under the influence of the AD. In fact, “compliance” is the coupling.
Any AD washing their hands of having a competent NIL program is negligent and not doing their jobs.
The legal separation is likely temporary anyway. Straight pay-to-play is months away if the SCOTUS rules as expected
There's no way that most ADs aren't helping organize groups off the record I would presume, just like there's got to be a lot who suggest some portion of donations go to a group organizing NIL payments for their school off the record.
I would hope JP isn't burying his head in the sand regarding this kind of thing.
I’m just going by what the email from the organizing group said. It had to be separate from the AD and even the Letterwinners club. I’m guessing the legal expertise giving the group guidance knows what they are talking about
By "off the record" I mean not in official email communication etc. I would be stunned if say the AD at Texas isn't/hasn't been actively working on organizing NIL stuff.
At one point yes. He is crazy talented but maturity is a long ways from where it needs to be. Dad pulled him out of high school to basically build his own team. I’m sure he’s been under insurmountable pressure since a young age but the kid just needs to learn how things actually work.
Again, separate in terms of compliance is different than separate. You know this.
In terms of compliance, you CYA with such a letter. JP thought transfers were bad when it hurt his hire and made him look bad. There is no guessing that JP is trying to cover his ass by saying he can't do anything. The reality is, as long as the AD in charge of compliance and the person best linked to ALL donors and people that spend money on ISU, they dictate how successful NIL is.
Let's get 1 thing straight. I'm not encouraging this, or wanting it to happen. My day was basically ruined when I heard this. But I have no reason to no believe the person(s) that I talk to. It's definitely not some joe blow.
I hope your optimism is correct, I truly do!
If Tyrese moves to UNC then it makes him a one and done at ISU. And we move on. It sucks. Thanks for this year. We made a Sweet 16. And after the worst year ever in Iowa State History. Which made it sweeter.
Blessing for Iowa State as we had worst basketball ever during Covid. This last year was great having Hilton filled with a successful team.
Pay for play is not "months away". The NCAA steering committee will make a proposal this summer, but I would be surprised if pay-for-play is going to happen soon, if at all.
Last year both BYU and Miami announced NIL deals that applied to large groups of players. Both are being investigated as violations of the NIL rule.
If athletes are employees that opens up a lot of issues that schools want no part of and not prepared to deal with in the next 1-2 years minimum.
- Do all players get paid the same or do elite players get more? Title IX will require equitable compensation.
- If athletes get paid for participating in an extracurricular activity, how does that impact other student (grad/undergrad) workers on academic side.
- What about future liability related to injuries incurred while participating in team activities. Does ISU want to be liable for X player who needs a knee replacement surgery in 40 years if athlete can attribute it to injury or wear and tear of being an athlete at ISU.
- What about CTE? Does ISU want that liability for former employees?
If pay-for-play happens, you will definitely see universities opt out. Take an Ivy League approach or similar to what we see in DII or DIII from a financial award perspective.
The NCAA? We're well past that.
I am talking about Johnson vs NCAA in the US Court of Appeals. Whether student athletes are actually employee athletes.
https://www.bloomberglaw.com/public...No22080033dCirJan072022CourtDocket?1650159096
If athletes are ruled employees, they will be paid to play imo.
We are fast approaching the end of today's NCAA. But there will be some governing body that oversees college athletics. The current chaos with transfers and NIL shows what can happen without a strong governing body. Do we see governing bodies by sport? Do Conferences create their own rules?
The article you link is not an appeal to the Supreme Court. It's an Appeals Court case- so it will be years before this could hit the Supreme Court. The issue of athlete compensation will be addressed by the NCAA Steering Committee this summer.
You are right that Justice Kavanaugh last summer made scathing statements of the current NCAA model where athlete compensation is suppressed by the NCAA. But does that mean pay-for-play or allowing for further academic benefits that schools can provide.
Besides your legal case linked, there are also student-athlete groups looking to unionize and collectively bargain for athletes.
I have no insight, but if the NCAA Steering committee feels players need to be paid to meet legal requirements, we will see a top tier where schools pay athletes as employees. But not sure how that would jive with Title IX. I would think that as long as there is A path for HS athletes in FB & MBB to get paid, that would meet legal scrutiny.
But I think there will also be another model more like today where athletes aren't employees and paid a salary.
But who knows, do college athletes really want to be employees or do they want to share revenue. PGA professionals aren't employees and I think Tiger has done pretty well over the years. Personally, I think that model would have a lot of promise and in the end could closely mimic from a competition standpoint what we see on the field/court today. The big question is how to deal with the vast differences in revenue generated by sport- football vs. MBB, vs WBB vs. VB vs etc. etc. etc.
