*** Official #2 Houston vs IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

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This is completely random, but does anyone here know Thom McDonald the commissioner of Iowa Junior college athletics? My friend was given tickets from a friend who was a big Houston fan last night and they were directly behind the Houston bench. As soon as we sat down we had the privilege to sit next to this gem. His first words to us were are you guys ISU fans. We said yes, and he goes on to say you guys won’t have “sh@t to cheer about tonight”. Five minutes into the game he goes on a rant about how he paid for these tickets and we deserve to be in the balcony where the poor people sit. And how he will get us kicked out of her sooner than it took us to sit down. Mind you we werent being arrogant or disrespectful whatsoever. Then Kelvin Sampson daughter comes up to my friend telling us to leave these aren’t your seats and makes a scene. The more I learned about Thom the guy is an ISU graduate. I’ve never in my 33 years of life met a more entitled POS in my entire life. Sorry for the rant, but I had to put this out there. I was in complete shock with how a guy that is the commissioner of Iowa Junior college athletics treated my friend and I and could care less that he was doing it.
That sucks.......I guess I would be pissed off too if I was the "commissioner of Iowa Junior college athletics" too....lol.

More people need punched in the face these days it seems.
 
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I would be pissed enough to email the AD’s office. I am guessing this guy gets these seats because we want to have a good relationship with the JUCO’s but that doesn’t give him the right to abuse our fans.
Good idea. The odd thing is I believe he was there with Houston. After this all went down he sat next to Sampson’s daughter the rest of the game. Literally on his phone the entirety of the game. Until we found out who he was I thought he was some
Big donor for Houston. To find out who he actually was had me in complete shock. It made no sense and he was a complete embarrassment. After the game ended my friend was sure to show him we knew who he was and he tucked his tail between his legs and scurried out as fast as possible.
 

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I said that pregame in this thread - Houston's defense is absolutely bonkers - they are #1 in block rate AND #1 in steal rate - and hold teams to ~20% on 3pt shots and ~40% on 2pt shots. Doing all 4 of those that well is unheard of.

It seemed like they had a ton of blocks, but their 15% block rate last night was their lowest since before Thanksgiving. So I agree completely that they blocked a number of very good shots. Same with offensive rebounding - it seemed like they got a ton of offensive boards, but it was one of their lowest ORB% games of the season.

They are really just that good. I wish we didn't play them again at their place.

We did a great job of tracking down the 50/50 balls and competing last night. There wasn’t anything that we didn’t contest or go for.
 

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Bold take considering we just “next stepped” on the #2 team in the country and one of the top programs in the country over the past 3 years.
If you aren't worried, cool. The offense has been an issue and continues to have some gaps. Look no further then A&M when we were up 20 or Pitt in the tourney last year. It's a good thing Houston had 12 TO's because ISU struggled to put the ball in the hoop for 7+min stretch. ISU has to find a way to produce extra baskets and have some consistency from the bench. As I mentioned, great win but I have some concern again with the O.
 

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He grabbed his head and threw him down by it. You need to review that and call it a flagrant 2 to set a standard of what is allowed and what isn't. If that doesn't get you thrown out of a game then I'm not sure what will. Honestly I think the NCAA or whoever the governing body is for officials needs to come out and say that should have been a flagrant 2 with an ejection to send the message that it's not acceptable and to set that standard.
Skimmed coogboard game thread, one dude claimed it was just a BB play shouldn't have been a flagrant. Most were more sensible than that.
 

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If you aren't worried, cool. The offense has been an issue and continues to have some gaps. Look no further then A&M when we were up 20 or Pitt in the tourney last year. It's a good thing Houston had 12 TO's because ISU struggled to put the ball in the hoop for 7+min stretch. ISU has to find a way to produce extra baskets and have some consistency from the bench. As I mentioned, great win but I have some concern again with the O.

#WORRIED LOL

I miss #CONCERNED
 

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If you aren't worried, cool. The offense has been an issue and continues to have some gaps. Look no further then A&M when we were up 20 or Pitt in the tourney last year. It's a good thing Houston had 12 TO's because ISU struggled to put the ball in the hoop for 7+min stretch. ISU has to find a way to produce extra baskets and have some consistency from the bench. As I mentioned, great win but I have some concern again with the O.
Last year our offensive efficiency was in the 120-130 range, depending on the site.

This year we are top 30.
 

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Last year our offensive efficiency was in the 120-130 range, depending on the site.

This year we are top 30.
Skewed heavily cause of ****** teams that we beat up on. Big12 is a meat grinder and there isn't many teams that we are going to score 70+ points on.
 

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If you aren't worried, cool. Big12 is gauntlet and the offense can't have long droughts of no buckets.
Just providing some context. Not that these ratings are the be all, end all, but ISU has an offensive efficiency on par with Kansas this year, but it happens to be only sixth best in the league. We do have the second best defense though. The #6 offense and #2 defense in the Big 12 at the level it is at, should win you a bunch of games.
 
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Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that Ward wasn't good. He did have a solid game overall--most efficient player on offense and those alley-oops were absolutely huge. But I do think that Jones's consistency and reliability down the stretch were important, especially defensively.

The two offer a very nice combination of play styles that balance each other well. There will be games this season where Ward's rim protection will be vital, and he'll get 3-4 blocks. It just didn't work out that way last night.
I don't think ISU goes far without both. While the minutes can fluctuate based on matchups and how each is playing, but when both guys can play 20ish minutes, they are both very effective. I don't think it would be possible to do what is asked defensively of either guy playing 30 minutes. They have to expend a ton of energy. Where Ward really can shine is against the long athletic teams that hammer the offensive glass like VCU. Tre and Rob are both physical guys that will clear space, but against those super rangy guys that can get up off the floor they give up some tap outs on the offensive glass.

I wouldn't say our rebounding is necessarily worse with Rob vs. Ward, but it's a bit different. Rob's a lot more going to clear space and the guards have to rally and clean up the glass. Ward's going to typically go up and get the board. Lipsey, Gilbert, C. Jones and Pavs do a good job chasing down boards in space cleared out by Rob and Tre. That was one of the big adjustments after the tournament. Guards started cleaning up the defensive glass, Pavs getting some run, and now with Ward back this is a good rotation of complimentary players.
 
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We had good looks last night; we are just not making them. No one is saying that Houston is not great at defense, but there are times you have to make shoots. I am not talking 12/15, but you have to hit more than 3/15 to win on most nights. If we had lost last night, everyone would be looking at the 3/15 from 3 point and saying that is the reason we lost, but since we won, people are glossing over that fact.
I think this is a really good point.

I was really impressed with Houston last night. They've got all the pieces to be really good, and once again, make a deep March/April run. I really believe that. I loved their defensive tenacity, their rebounding, athleticism, shooting, multiple playmakers off the dribble, etc. They, to me, looked like a conference title contender.

For us to keep them to 53 points was a GREAT defensive effort. Clearly our best of the season, at the best possible time. Really impressed with Gilbert's defense, really impressive with Milan's improvement, really liked the defensive 'jolt' that Watson provides. Was certainly not "perfect", as we did let one of their guys get a lot of rhythm shots, and their bigs definitely were able to get some rebounds that you would 'hope' we would get - but overall, so many positives from the Cyclones last night. That is a really, really, good team that ISU beat.

With that said, offensively - while acknowledging again that Houston is REALLY freaking good offensively - I do worry a bit on this side of the ball. The numbers/metrics do NOT back up my statement here, but I will say it anyway - I do not think we are a better offensive team than we were last year. Obviously, Tamin has improved, and there are a lot of positives. But I really worry about our ability to score in conference play - moreso than last year. I know the narrative tells us that this years' squad is full of better shooters and scorers - I'm just not seeing it. Against Q1 type teams thus far, our guys really struggle to shoot, struggle to finish at the hoop, struggle to dribble/take care of the ball.

Overall - REALLY loved the defensive effort last night. With Hasan playing like he has, I actually think our defense can be like we've seen the last 2 years. I'm more worried that we'll end up being just as 'subpar' (overall) offensively that we have been.
 
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We went 3/16 and lost in the road. We went 3/15 and won at home. The difference was the defense and being at home. We’re good enough defensively to overcome this shooting. Go look at the tape from game 1 to game 2. We almost completely filled that defensive hole that allowed OU to have a bunch of open 3 looks from the wing. Houston got a couple of those but they were further off the line and had just that little bit more pressure to throw it off.
At OU we were 8/11 from the free-throw line, while OU was 13/16, last night we were 18/22 while Houston was 8/12. Last night we were plus 10 shooting FT's while at OU we shot 5 less.
Now if you can sit there and say we are going to shoot 10 more free throws a game more than the team we are playing, I would agree we can get by only making 3 three pointers, but we know that is not going to happen on the road in this conference. We have to shoot the ball better, it's that simple.
 

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If you aren't worried, cool. The offense has been an issue and continues to have some gaps. Look no further then A&M when we were up 20 or Pitt in the tourney last year. It's a good thing Houston had 12 TO's because ISU struggled to put the ball in the hoop for 7+min stretch. ISU has to find a way to produce extra baskets and have some consistency from the bench. As I mentioned, great win but I have some concern again with the O.
Hasan is averaging 10 pts off the bench in his 3 games post-injury. That's pretty consistent bench scoring. After watching Ward for these 3 games, I don't think we lose that A&M game with him. Also, the more comfortable Milan gets, the less likely we'll have those droughts. Houston is legitimately the #1 defense in the country, and, during that 7 min field goal drought we hit 5 free throws. We didn't get to the line last year, so the droughts were even worse.
 

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If you aren't worried, cool. The offense has been an issue and continues to have some gaps. Look no further then A&M when we were up 20 or Pitt in the tourney last year. It's a good thing Houston had 12 TO's because ISU struggled to put the ball in the hoop for 7+min stretch. ISU has to find a way to produce extra baskets and have some consistency from the bench. As I mentioned, great win but I have some concern again with the O.

What if nothing is linear in sportsball?

And what are we referring to when we say 'worried'? What's going to happen if ISU makes the tournament and doesn't win it?
 

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Just providing some context. Not that these ratings are the be all, end all, but ISU has an offensive efficiency on par with Kansas this year, but it happens to be only sixth best in the league. We do have the second best defense though. The #6 offense and #2 defense in the Big 12 at the level it is at, should win you a bunch of games.
Our offensive #'s are skewed cause of crappy teams we played. Only team that we have scored over 70 points on that has a pulse is Iowa (90)
VA Tech-62
A&M-69
OU-63
Houston-57
 

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Skewed heavily cause of ****** teams that we beat up on. Big12 is a meat grinder and there isn't many teams that we are going to score 70+ points on.
I bet we score 70 on Saturday

Most efficiency metrics are adjusted for an average opponent and by pace, so if we mostly only play top 20 defenses the rest of the season at an extremely slow pace (as the last two games have been), we don't need to score 70 to have a top 30 offensive efficiency.
 

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