Nikki Moody sues Bill Fennelly over Racial Discrimination...

[ImJustKCClone]

Mom went half n half and Brynn followed like a day later with support to Fennelly if I got the timetables right. The linked article is few days old.

As a former mom...I can see the mama bear in some of how Brynn's mom worded things. Been there, done that. It means she doesn't like the way her daughter was treated. Frankly, I wouldn't either. But I'm neither one of his players or one of his assistants or bosses, so it's NMB.

 

[FarminCy]

I'm amazed that even after almost 900 replies there are still people using anecdotal evidence and examples of Bill being an *** as their argument the lawsuit has merit.

 

[Yellow Snow]

I'm amazed that even after almost 900 replies there are still people using anecdotal evidence and examples of Bill being an *** as their argument the lawsuit has merit.

Exactly! It is not a crime to be a doosh canoe! A person in authority (Fennely) can yell and scream all he wants. He can demean players... he can call them worthless... he can even call them the C word. That isn't lawsuit worthy in my mind.

 

[cyclone13]

Exactly! It is not a crime to be a doosh canoe! A person in authority (Fennely) can yell and scream all he wants. He can demean players... he can call them worthless... he can even call them the C word. That isn't lawsuit worthy in my mind.

These days those things are lawsuit worthy although not for racism.
that's why I am afraid that ISU will win this case but BF will
have to retire

 

[00clone]

Bill isn't stupid. And I just find it really hard that he said these things in large groups of people (and in group texts?!) where there can be multiple witnesses. You'd have to be a ******* moron to do that.

Also, I want point out that there's a HUGE difference from saying "all you do is *****" and calling someone a *****.

I like to split the hair finer and use "all you do is act like a *****."

 

[DoctorUncle]

The more I think about this whole thing, the more I feel sad for the plaintiff's lawyers.

 

[Royalclone]

The more I think about this whole thing, the more I feel sad for the plaintiff's lawyers.

Why because they are so pitiful? :smile: I can never feel sorry for blood-sucking ambulance-chasing attorneys trying to make a killing at someone else's expense. I'll think even less of the spineless judge that allows this to get past the first hearing.

 

[IAStubborn]

I don't recall this poster ever posting in the WBB before. Tornado Man however has been a constant source of factual information about this programs innerworkings for a very long time.

Nicky moody said he called players b****es and thugs don't you think she would have mentioned he called them cu**s if he did especially as regularly and screamed it as often as Tornado man claims? It honestly is not very plausable to me. Admittedly I have never posted on women's basketball or even attended a game. Not sure however why that does not entitle me to an opinion on this situation. Or why that makes Tornado's story plausable. IF that's true he SHOULD have been fired years ago and ISU should be sued for turning a blind eye to abuse.

 

[IAStubborn]

And plenty of men too, gizzsdad. I was responding to a post claiming that 'Moody is the bully, not Fennelly," and I could not hold back anymore. People have no idea what goes on, apparently.
I get weary of the yahoos on this board whose only picture of BF is from him on the coaches shows, the locker room videos, etc. etc., and then dismiss any negative info. by saying "girls have got to be "mentally tough" to play for him, or "they should have known what they were getting into." What BS.

But you said anyone who sits there will confirm he "has heard him scream **** at his players regularly " yet multiple have said they sit there and none have heard him ever utter it.

 

[IAStubborn]

So, there has been no pattern of behavior from the coach over the past however many years? Other posters have said that they've been hearing it for years.

Put it this way...I don't listen to comedy routines from Andrew Dice Clay because I know what they are going to be like. If they know what they're going to hear, and keep purchasing those seats year after year, it's disingenuous to ***** about it.

I think they are ******** about it not because of how it effects them but because of the effect on the players and how that relates to the case. It is relevant. You can like to sit there and hear what he says without liking how he treats our players.

 

[IAStubborn]

Exactly! It is not a crime to be a doosh canoe! A person in authority (Fennely) can yell and scream all he wants. He can demean players... he can call them worthless... he can even call them the C word. That isn't lawsuit worthy in my mind.

Really? Abuse isn't lawsuit worthy? Only racial discrimination?

 

[ImJustKCClone]

I think they are ******** about it not because of how it effects them but because of the effect on the players and how that relates to the case. It is relevant. You can like to sit there and hear what he says without liking how he treats our players.

I think you're being a little generous in your interpretations.

They are not suing, Nikki is. And she's not suing the Coach & ISU because he's a big ol' profane meany. She has accused him of racism. Not one person in this thread has supported the idea that Coach is racist. Whether or not they think he is an ******* is entirely immaterial, and is not relevant to the case.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Really? Abuse isn't lawsuit worthy? Only racial discrimination?

Harassment IS lawsuit worthy, but it is absolutely not what this case is about. Nikki's case is based entirely on Coach discriminating against her based on race.

 

[bosco]

My laws, BF is swearing. I'm might just get the vapors.

 

[StClone]

Harassment IS lawsuit worthy, but it is absolutely not what this case is about. Nikki's case is based entirely on Coach discriminating against her based on race.

It been suggested that Moody's legal eagles will try and assemble a case around "bad words" as part of the discrimination in the form of abusive language. Now I think an Iowa jury may look disfavorably at Bill's blue tones but be adept enough to sort out one is not the other from all we know of the facts.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

It been suggested that Moody's legal eagles will try and assemble a case around "bad words" as part of the discrimination in the form of abusive language. Now I think an Iowa jury may look disfavorably at Bill's blue tones but be adept enough to sort out one is not the other from all we know of the facts.

Agreed. Even so though, wouldn't she have to prove she was singled out? Seems like he's pretty equal opportunity in his hollering...

 

[casey1973]

Curious on what others think. Of course if the courts rule in favor of Moody he is gone without saying, But if she doesn't do you all think it doesn't end well for Fennelly either way based on the negative press etc.?

 

[ImJustKCClone]

ISU's statement was pretty strongly worded. I think they are circling the wagons around him. I don't know how it will play out afterward. These allegations may hurt his recruiting down the road. If the crowds start dropping or the fans start pressuring JP, he may be gone eventually...

 

[cyclone13]

Curious on what others think. Of course if the courts rule in favor of Moody he is gone without saying, But if she doesn't do you all think it doesn't end well for Fennelly either way based on the negative press etc.?

If she doesn't win there could still be a case for ISU to retire BF. I have no problem with yelling etc but if he really uses the "c" word (that rhyme with "punt") then he will have a problem recruiting players. The "B" word also needs to be taken into context - did he call "hey you b.....s, chase the ball" or just "sob"? Both can have different context.

the coaches are paid not to be saints but to win games. BF's intense style is already known but he has reasons for it and it's not everyone's cup of tea. I had some intense bosses and you just had to be professional and that experience served me well: I had experience when one of my clients dropped F bombs on me because he didn't like the adjustment we made on his numbers and we stayed professional and calm instead of crying or suing our client because at the end of the day, it was still our client. I was told certain martial art schools purposedly berated you and yelled at you for hours including having to fight for 20 mins to test your patience. They don't want someone whonis hot headed and punch someone whenever you get provoked.

One professor also penalized small mistakes BIG TIME because he said "in real life you make one small mistake, you can end up costing tons of money so I want you to be perfct." That is something that BF can use: he demands perfection because making mistakes will hurt your team big time.


So it will depend on how each party tell their stories.

 

[cydney]

Curious on what others think. Of course if the courts rule in favor of Moody he is gone without saying, But if she doesn't do you all think it doesn't end well for Fennelly either way based on the negative press etc.?

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So it will depend on how each party tell their stories.

There's a letter to the editor in today's DSM Register that no one wins in this lawsuit. That's probably very true.


There are known issues with CBF's coaching style. Should it end a career. Some think so. But should that career end for possibly false accusations of racial discrimination. If true, of course, it should. But there are also known issues with the player's attitude and behavior. If there's not substance to the suit, and it still ends a career, where's the justice in that.


Let's suppose the racial basis for the suit is no deeper than what's there, which seems thin. Why not simply go for an abuse charge instead? Is it to get more attention? To inflict as much damage as possible? To go for something highly charged, and then settle for something less? Can that happen in such a case? Could they decide, hey, the coach didn't discriminate based on race, but did verbally abuse the player? Some of the other cases out there right now appear to be based more on abuse.


This current round of reviews and cases will be noteworthy in terms of precedence set for programs and coaches around the country.