Nikki Moody sues Bill Fennelly over Racial Discrimination...

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Key term in all of this is 'favorite'.
Not sure what you mean here. If you mean he had favorites and treated them differently then I don't agree with it, but I don't think it is exactly a secret. It also has nothing to do with racism. Like I've said earlier, I think you can make a case that he needs to make changes in how he coaches and is a bit abusive. I don't think you can claim he is racist.
 

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When did the word Thug become a racist term?

I use that word from time to time when dealing with kids that are trying to bully/intimidate another kid.

Ever since Ferguson from what I can remember. Crazy how the entire meaning of a word can change so quickly.
 

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I'm not saying you don't have people who are saying those things, and I'm not saying they are lying, but we have seen lots of people come out in support of him including one of the people named in the suit as a victim. No one has publicly come out in support of Moody in fact people have called her out including Kidd.

How do we know they're being truthful? We don't. They have an interest in keeping up a good relationship with ISU and Fennelly.
 

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Not sure what you mean here. If you mean he had favorites and treated them differently then I don't agree with it, but I don't think it is exactly a secret. It also has nothing to do with racism. Like I've said earlier, I think you can make a case that he needs to make changes in how he coaches and is a bit abusive. I don't think you can claim he is racist.

You don't agree with it...but it's not a secret. Makes sense.

My point is about everyone coming forward. They all have something in common. That word.
 

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How do we know they're being truthful? We don't. They have an interest in keeping up a good relationship with ISU and Fennelly.
I mean I don't know for sure but when 100% of the public reaction including one of the supposed victims supports him I have a hard time believing they aren't being truthful.
 

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How do we know they're being truthful? We don't. They have an interest in keeping up a good relationship with ISU and Fennelly.

Really? Why? If they've graduated and have moved on to adulting, they really don't need ISU & Fennelly any more. Maybe they might not want to burn bridges, but I doubt if anyone would exact revenge on them for NOT saying anything either way.
 

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You don't agree with it...but it's not a secret. Makes sense.

My point is about everyone coming forward. They all have something in common. That word.
Explain how that shows anything racist about it. I mean criticize his coaching which I think there is a point to, but this suit is about racial discrimination.
 

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Good God, that just ups the amount of misinformation and negative spectulation 100 fold. The mouth can stir a pot like no other.

Come on if you aren't looking forward to a scorching hot take from Marty's dentist....
 

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What the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about the word 'favorite' not racism. I'm saying those coming forward all have that in common.
My point is even if he is a crappy coach that treats his players like crap that doesn't mean that the lawsuit has merit. The lawsuit is about racism.
 

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IMHO this is a young lady who's fantasy of being an elite player in the WNBA did not pan out and she has to blame something/someone other than herself for this failure. I have watched Coach Bill for his whole time here and he is hard on everyone. Do players leave - yes! Do players stay and have success yes! The attitude Ms Moody displayed at times was as a petulant child - and CBF was a stern taskmaster. Maybe the "lawyer" saw the Swoopes escapade as a way to get in on the controversy in WBB at certain places and hope for a quick settlement. Stand firm ISU and CBF - this is a b**** play and it stinks all the way to Nikki's sneakers. I used to cheer for that girl - sad that she backstabbed the place that gave her an opportunity to be great!
 

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Exactly...and "differently" doesn't mean minutes played. I get coaches can be tough, cuss, yell,punish...but it better not be based on race or other protected classes.

I think more of this stuff will happen as things are changing in society. I remember in high school one of our football teams played terribly and the coach stopped the bus outside of town and made the team run a mile in...now days that person would be canned immediately.

I don't know all the details, so I'm not going to speak on this particular player, but is seems more and more it's becoming like the rest of college campuses. Players complain because practicing is too hard, too long, too whatever. The coach yells at me, tells me to do things, makes me sweat.

I'm one of the older ones around now too. I remember our track coach pulling the seniors, myself included, aside and telling us we were all running the 3200m in the meet that day just after getting off the bus. Why would he do that? He did it because, as seniors, we didn't stop the freshmen guys from mooning the girls bus on the way to the meet.

Guess what kiddies, coaches aren't there to be your friends. They aren't there to hold your hand when you have a boo boo. They are going to yell, curse, point at you, hold you responsible for your actions, etc.
 

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You don't agree with it...but it's not a secret. Makes sense.

My point is about everyone coming forward. They all have something in common. That word.

I don't know what your motivation is. But based on what I've heard about Moody, she hasn't done herself a lot of favors. Ask some of these so-called former players what they think of her.
 

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Every kid is different though, some (like me) thrive when someone is hard on them, some kids don't have the confidence, maturity or just personality to accept that someone can be hard on them while also trying to make them a better person. I do think that, coaches from an older generation are losing touch with how to coach young kids these days and there are fewer and fewer kids who can be coached like hat. That's what happened here IMO. It's on coaches to adjust to their players or things like this are going to continue to happen. I do find it odd that she lasted 4 years with a coach she deemed racist or "too hard" on her. I'm sure there were lots of other factors that kept her here, just seems like this situation would be one that would make it pretty easy to leave. I mean shes accusing BF of basically the worst thing you can accuse someone of these days.

That's what gets me the most. I understand players are sometimes in love with some other aspect of the program or university as a whole, but if you are one of those players that can't take a tough coach, why would you commit to play for them in the first place.
 

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How do we know they're being truthful? We don't. They have an interest in keeping up a good relationship with ISU and Fennelly.

How do we know then if they're lying? That's the other side of the coin.
They probably don't need ISU and/or BF anymore. The fact that they came up,including Cole, has shown that they are aware of the consequences including being a character witness for BF. These players are proud of whoever they are (including Cole, Stuckey and Kidd) and I doubt they will step forward to defend him if BF treated them in racist ways.
 

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This. I know for a fact some players have already contacted her lawyer voicing support and confirmation of similar instances. However, like you stated, some aren't wanting to have their name out there.
All day long you have been giving us insight on players who can confirm Moody's alegations. Until someone publicly comes forward, this insider info really doesn't have much bite. When should we expect someone to step forward? Honest question.
 

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All day long you have been giving us insight on players who can confirm Moody's alegations. Until someone publicly comes forward, this insider info really doesn't have much bite. When should we expect someone to step forward? Honest question.
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting.
 

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All day long you have been giving us insight on players who can confirm Moody's alegations. Until someone publicly comes forward, this insider info really doesn't have much bite. When should we expect someone to step forward? Honest question.

To be fair, there's probably a bit more risk in coming out and saying the negative than to come out in support of Fennelly.
 

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