NCAA WR: At-Large (Tues.) and Brackets (Wed.)

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After reviewing the brackets, I think below is my confidence level list for ISU AAs (most confident to least confident):
Paniro (terrifies me though, which Paniro shows up)
Evan Frost
Jacob Frost
MJ (I really like his draw)
Bockman (how healthy is that knee? That is my biggest concern)
Chittum (concerned with how he looked at Big 12s and has a very tough draw)
Riggins
Herrera

Really hoping for 2, worried we might get 0. Anything 2 or greater would be a good tournamen this year
I think MJ can do it depending on his backside matchups. If I am a coach for 74 lber outside of the big dogs like O'Toole etc., my wrestler seeing him (and whatever you call what he does) with little time to prep or watch film for it would be absolutely terrifying.
 

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After reviewing the brackets, I think below is my confidence level list for ISU AAs (most confident to least confident):
Paniro (terrifies me though, which Paniro shows up)
Evan Frost
Jacob Frost
MJ (I really like his draw)
Bockman (how healthy is that knee? That is my biggest concern)
Chittum (concerned with how he looked at Big 12s and has a very tough draw)
Riggins
Herrera

Really hoping for 2, worried we might get 0. Anything 2 or greater would be a good tournamen this year
A few weeks ago I was hoping for 3, now I’m with you. Hoping for 2 but that will be tough.

The draws are rough and Big 12’s didn’t leave fans with a bunch of confidence.
 

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If there's so much emphasis on the conference tourney, why is Herrera 28 and Runyon 18?
That one baffles me the most, I think.
 

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Great question.

Seems like they pick and choose when things matter.
I suppose because RPI and Coaches ranking still make up a part of the formula. I think @theshadow said they are not updated after the qualifying tournament. Think Peanut had a low RPI

Do they also use this formula for seeding?

how the selection criteria is weighted:
Head-to-Head Competition = 25%
• Quality Wins = 20%
• Conference tournament placement = 15%
• Coaches Rank = 10%
• Results vs. common opponents = 10%
• Win percentage = 10%
• RPI = 10%
 

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I suppose because RPI and Coaches ranking still make up a part of the formula. I think @theshadow said they are not updated after the qualifying tournament. Think Peanut had a low RPI

Do they also use this formula for seeding?

how the selection criteria is weighted:
Head-to-Head Competition = 25%
• Quality Wins = 20%
• Conference tournament placement = 15%
• Coaches Rank = 10%
• Results vs. common opponents = 10%
• Win percentage = 10%
• RPI = 10%
I think it’s just for deciding at large
 

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Because the committee just showed they put much more value on conference tournaments than any duals or in-season tourneys.
Who are you referring to? The only example I saw discussed was Alirez and I think like someone else said his in season resume was weak combined with a bad tournament.
 

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I have not yet heard anyone talking about the potential for Stout vs Stout in round 2. Brothers I believe.
 
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Dumb question that I have probably asked before. Why 33 entrants? Just drop an at large and have 32. Nonsensical?

bump. Any insight? Wouldn't it be a much cleaner/easier tourney to just drop one at-large and have a 32 bracket?
 

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bump. Any insight? Wouldn't it be a much cleaner/easier tourney to just drop one at-large and have a 32 bracket?
They have an alternate for a reason. Whenever someone backs out, they just bump up the seeds and the alternate takes the 33 seed. So, in this scenario, the Little Rock kid is 29th seed, so 30->29, 31->30, 32->31, 33->32, and then the alternate to 33. Really doesn't impact much in this scenario
 
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bump. Any insight? Wouldn't it be a much cleaner/easier tourney to just drop one at-large and have a 32 bracket?

The total number of qualifiers has been 330 for about 20 years or so. However, it wasn't until 2009 that the NCAA leveled each weight class at 33 qualifiers when the overall allocation process was changed to be based on current-year data instead of the old 5-year rolling average.

Before 2009, the conferences could decide how to allocate their total number of qualifiers. For example, when the Big 12 had 36 qualifiers, the understanding was that the top 3 at each weight (30) would advance, with 6 at-larges spread across any weight. So, once all the conferences did their thing, you could end up with an NCAA bracket of 28 at one weight, and 37 at another.

In addition to equaling out each weight class, I don't think anyone in charge is in favor of eliminating 10 national qualifiers just to clean up the brackets.
 

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Isaac Trumble getting 6th at ACC’s but getting the 7 seed in Philly is one example.
I am confused what it is you're saying now. I thought you were saying there was too much weight on conference tournaments and not enough on regular season? This would seem to be the opposite case.
 

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Just ran through my brackets and have both Evan and Paniro placing.

I have Evan beating Bailey in the quarters but losing to Ayala in the semis. Loses to McGonagle in consi semis then takes fifth over Romney.

Jacob Frost losing in the blood round to Vombauer which is the worst possible blood round matchup.

Paniro loses to Parco in the quarters. Beats Fernandez in the blood round to place. Then beats Williams, loses to Van Ness in consi semis then loses to McNeil to get 6th.

Bockman and Chittum go 2-2. MJ and Herrera each get 1 win. Riggins 0-2.
 

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I am confused what it is you're saying now. I thought you were saying there was too much weight on conference tournaments and not enough on regular season? This would seem to be the opposite case.
I am just saying it is very inconsistent.

Rewarded some guys for the conference tourney but didn’t punish others for it.
 
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