Nader's threes

Gary_ISU

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That's not how that works. You're going to have to take out his worst game as well to make any attempt at a relevant statistic there.

I looked through most of the games and it found a couple 0-4s. That would make him 10-53 which takes him almost to 19%.
 

Rhoadhoused

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We could just leave everything in and he's at 22% on the season.

I'm pretty sure everyone here would be happy to allow sub 25% shooters from the other team shoot all game long.

I think everyone can agree that Nader's true % over 100,000 shots would be well over 22%. It's a small sample size
 

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I think everyone can agree that Nader's true % over 100,000 shots would be well over 22%. It's a small sample size
But not due to his liking for 3Ps. His current true % and effective fg % are both lowered by his 3P game, At his 3P shooting ability he should not be taking over 40% of his shots from beyond the arc.

Nader has the talent to be more than a 16 minute/game guy, but not unless he becomes more efficient.
 

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I'm at the point, where I want him off the court. I think he'll be a good player for us next year, but he's sucking it up. No charity minutes tourney time, you have to earn them IMO.
Haha that's why he played 17 minutes last night. Right.
 

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But not due to his liking for 3Ps. His current true % and effective fg % are both lowered by his 3P game, At his 3P shooting ability he should not be taking over 40% of his shots from beyond the arc.

Nader has the talent to be more than a 16 minute/game guy, but not unless he becomes more efficient.

His true 3pt % in game is surely better than 22%, and surely much better.

I agree I don't think it makes sense for him to be launching them willy nilly, but if Georges drives in and gets him an open 3, I'm 100% cool with him taking it. He does need to be a bit more picky though. Pump fake and attack the basket.
 

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His true 3pt % in game is surely better than 22%, and surely much better.

I agree I don't think it makes sense for him to be launching them willy nilly, but if Georges drives in and gets him an open 3, I'm 100% cool with him taking it. He does need to be a bit more picky though. Pump fake and attack the basket.

Agree with this 100%. One of the reasons I think Georges' 3 pt % improved so much this year is his shot selection. Love the 3 pt pump fake he seems to have added halfway through the season as well.
 

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Any clue as to why Nader still has the green light from beyond the arc? The writing is on the wall. Shooting threes is not his game. He does a number of things well, but hitting shots from the outside is not one of them. Is Fred telling him to stop this and he's not listening or does he have faith that Nader will eventually turn it around?

He shot .277 from three at Northern Illinois, and is even worse with us at .222. He certainly could improve by next year. Hogue improved tremendously from last year, upping his percentage from .344 to .444. He has made exactly twice as many threes in the same number of attempts as Nader, 28-63 to Nader's 14-63. An open three for Hogue has become a deadly shot in our offense.

I'm not saying Nader could never be a great shooter, but he hasn't proven it yet. This team is so good, and we have so many offensive weapons, the last thing we need is a .222 shooter trying to put games away from beyond the arc like he did against Oklahoma.


He should not be allowed to shoot threes early in the clock when other options haven't even been "explored". I am in full agreement. He can be REALLY effective when he does what he's effective at. Dribbling baseline without a plan would be next on my "lets not do that" list.
 

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He is 14-63 on the season. He was 4-6 the Iowa game. If you take that game out, he is 10-57 which is 17.5%.

Can't do that. Just because an guy on TV says that doesn't make it right statistically.

That's not how that works. You're going to have to take out his worst game as well to make any attempt at a relevant statistic there.

Still, no. If you take out the best and worst you end up back closer to the original mean.

I looked through most of the games and it found a couple 0-4s. That would make him 10-53 which takes him almost to 19%.

See? We went from 22% to 17.5%, then back to 19%. That's just not a big enough difference when you're talking about less than 100 shots on the season.

I think everyone can agree that Nader's true % over 100,000 shots would be well over 22%. It's a small sample size

Yes. When you're examining discrete data, especially binary (yes/no) data, you really need hundreds or even thousands of data points to start to tell significant differences. It depends of course on how big a difference you're trying to find and how confident you want to be that your conclusion is correct.

At Nader's current 14/63, we can say that we're 95% confident that his true 3FG% is somewhere between 12% - 32%.
 

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I agree, but the shoots when he is open, not really contested, and in this sytem any other player would take that shot with the exception of McKay. He is playing in the system, and even though I agree with your post, my opinion will change just as soon as he hits two in a row. Go get them Nader.
 

swarthmoreCY

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His true 3pt % in game is surely better than 22%, and surely much better.
No, his true 3P% is not higher than 22%.
Due to 3P shooting, his true shooting % is only ahead of Custer and Tsalmpouris and his eFG% is only ahead of Custer's.

We need more creators. Nader can create and finish. He can become very good if he learns when to manipulate the defense.
 
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The more threes he misses, the more funny it is he couldnt miss one against the Hawkeyes. Nader is just trolling the hawks.
 

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No, his true 3P% is not higher than 22%.
Due to 3P shooting, his true shooting % is only ahead of Custer and Tsalmpouris and his eFG% is only ahead of Custer's.

We need more creators. Nader can create and finish. He can become very good if he learns when to manipulate the defense.


If I flip a coin 10 times and it comes up heads 6, is the true % of coin flips that will end up heads 60%? No.

Are you confusing true shooting percentage with what I'm saying? I do not mean his true shooting percentage, the advanced stat metric. I'm talking about what % he would hit from 3 given a truly large sample size.

Also, if you're bringing up Custer and Tsalmpouris, those sample sizes are REALLY way too small to make any comparisons.
 
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