Nader's threes

[andymhallman]

Any clue as to why Nader still has the green light from beyond the arc? The writing is on the wall. Shooting threes is not his game. He does a number of things well, but hitting shots from the outside is not one of them. Is Fred telling him to stop this and he's not listening or does he have faith that Nader will eventually turn it around?

He shot .277 from three at Northern Illinois, and is even worse with us at .222. He certainly could improve by next year. Hogue improved tremendously from last year, upping his percentage from .344 to .444. He has made exactly twice as many threes in the same number of attempts as Nader, 28-63 to Nader's 14-63. An open three for Hogue has become a deadly shot in our offense.

I'm not saying Nader could never be a great shooter, but he hasn't proven it yet. This team is so good, and we have so many offensive weapons, the last thing we need is a .222 shooter trying to put games away from beyond the arc like he did against Oklahoma.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Any clue as to why Nader still has the green light from beyond the arc? The writing is on the wall. Shooting threes is not his game. He does a number of things well, but hitting shots from the outside is not one of them. Is Fred telling him to stop this and he's not listening or does he have faith that Nader will eventually turn it around?

He shot .277 from three at Northern Illinois, and is even worse with us at .222. He certainly could improve by next year. Hogue improved tremendously from last year, upping his percentage from .344 to .444. He has made exactly twice as many threes in the same number of attempts as Nader, 28-63 to Nader's 14-63. An open three for Hogue has become a deadly shot in our offense.

I'm not saying Nader could never be a great shooter, but he hasn't proven it yet. This team is so good, and we have so many offensive weapons, the last thing we need is a .222 shooter trying to put games away from beyond the arc like he did against Oklahoma.

Worse than a long-two by others imo. His game should be taking posts off the dribble or posting up smaller wings.

 

[Cycl1]

Coach obviously is ok with him taking an open look. Must hit enough in practice, and the benefits of him getting hot from 3 and what it will do for our spacing in the game must be worth the risk of him taking 1 or 2 a game when he has been making shots.

 

[CyFan61]

Nader has made one three since Feb. 18 @ Oklahoma State.

In the seven games since, he is 1-10 behind the arc.

Outside of the Iowa game, he's been pretty mediocre from three all season, but this current slump is worse for him.

 

[Knownothing]

He should quit shooting it.

 

[PFlatts]

The last two games every time he has shoot a three i scream NNNNOOOO

 

[DarkStar]

I have no problem with his 3 point shooting. He does it enough to draw out his defender and help space the floor. It's not like all he does is chuck up 3s.

 

[Cyclonesince78]

Nader has made one three since Feb. 18 @ Oklahoma State.

In the seven games since, he is 1-10 behind the arc.

Outside of the Iowa game, he's been pretty mediocre from three all season, but this current slump is worse for him.

Sadly, I don't think his stats are much better inside the arc either.

 

[andymhallman]

I have no problem with his 3 point shooting. He does it enough to draw out his defender and help space the floor. It's not like all he does is chuck up 3s.

I have a problem with his threes when four(!) guys on the team are shooting better than 40 percent (Niang, Long, Morris, Hogue) from beyond the arc and another is right at 35 percent (BDJ), not to mention how well those guys plus McKay shoot inside the arc.

Nader averages 5.1 field goal attempts per game, 2.1 of those are threes, so threes represent 40 percent of his shots.

Last year, Nader was the best player on a bad team. He is now the 7th or 8th best player on a good team, and I think he's still struggling to find his role. Whatever that is, it's not jacking up threes.

 

[ISUFan22]

Nader huge spark in first half last night. Thread started about him pointing out he should stop shooting.

Makes sense.

 

[CyArob]

Fred gives everyone the green light to shoot.

 

[CloneIce]

Yep, I cringe whenever Nader shoots a three. Especially late in the game.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

I don't dislike Nader and think he's a quality player, but outside of McKay and Edozie, there's no other scholarship player on our team I don't want taking a three than him. And he took what felt like a lot yesterday.

 

[iacyguy]

He has been missing badly on most of his looks but I'm ok with it because they are in rhythm. We need him to shoot and make something to spread the offense more. But I agree his game is slashing and posting up

 

[Chitowncy]

I have no problem with Nader's threes. Keep shooting them and keep feeling the confidence from Hoiberg. It's easier to play better when your coach gives you the green light, has confidence in you and trusts you to make good decisions. That's my guess as to why he keeps shooting them. And I'm all for it.

I played for a control freak coach once (as well as a college coach [Div. III] who let us play) and the control freak coach makes you second guess yourself a little bit for fear of benching. If some of the CycloneFanatic mob mentality ruled, I would bet you our players wouldn't play as well because of fear of benching, etc.

Thank God Hoiberg's the coach! If they're open looks, keep feeling it, Nader.

 

[Dingus]

Nader should shoot some 3's, but he needs to be a bitlire selective with them. There was at least 2 3's that were bad shots last night.

He's got the ability to make some tough drives though.

 

[alarson]

Nader huge spark in first half last night. Thread started about him pointing out he should stop shooting.

Makes sense.

Nobody wants him off the court.. just that the 3 shot from him might as well be a turnover. He's getting open for a reason at this point.

 

[Chitowncy]

I have a problem with his threes when four(!) guys on the team are shooting better than 40 percent (Niang, Long, Morris, Hogue) from beyond the arc and another is right at 35 percent (BDJ), not to mention how well those guys plus McKay shoot inside the arc.

Nader averages 5.1 field goal attempts per game, 2.1 of those are threes, so threes represent 40 percent of his shots.

Last year, Nader was the best player on a bad team. He is now the 7th or 8th best player on a good team, and I think he's still struggling to find his role. Whatever that is, it's not jacking up threes.

They were open looks in the flow of offense though. When you get a good shot, take it. Don't wait and assume you'll find a better shot later in the possession. I think our offense is so good partly because we take good shots as soon as they're presented (whether with 30 seconds on the shot clock or 5). If you wait longer, your risk of turnovers goes up too, and you can't score when you don't get a shot up....

Also, see (spacing, and keeping the defense honest, etc).

 

[swarthmoreCY]

I have no problem with his 3 point shooting. He does it enough to draw out his defender and help space the floor. It's not like all he does is chuck up 3s.

When you are that bad at shooting 3Ps you do not need to take over 40% of your shots as 3Ps to maintain the benefit of spacing. Shot selection is a big factor as to why he has always been an inefficient player despite being fairly talented. Defense still coming out to defend him? Great, give them a ball fake and drive until they start to lay off.

 

[Chitowncy]

Nobody wants him off the court.. just that the 3 shot from him might as well be a turnover. He's getting open for a reason at this point.

Nope. 3 turnovers from Nader = zero points. Making one 3 out of 3 = 3 points. Also, making one 2 out of 3 = 2 points.