Missing NW Iowa Men

[HFCS]

You listen to the latest season of revisionist history?

Yeah...and I bet I've heard people get hysterical about "murder rate" or even worse "total murders" a dozen times since. Then you dig even slightly into it and it's usually nothing to worry about or even a situation where the area in question is safer than it used to be.

The same thing applies to rural areas as poor neighborhoods in inner cities (interesting how often that is true). You aren't getting to a trauma center from rural America as fast as you would in some wealthy suburb.

 

[tomar1]

So it makes you think twice about stopping for someone acting like they have car trouble! Because I won’t be unless I know them!

 

[ISUTex]

The professor was feeding you a line.

I've owned hogs of every size and age and while they are capable of destroying a carcass of another animal, they do not do so in a way that would be considered complete. And it isn't fast, either.

You are starting to scare me.

 

[AuH2O]

I lost a NW Iowa relative a few months ago to a brutal murder, happened in rural OK but those involved were all from NW Iowa. It was a missing person story like this for a month before it was a murder story.

Violent crime is everywhere, most just can't understand basic %s or the idea of per capita.

Another important thing is to only look at stats for reported violent crime and ignore fatal incidents and murder data. Murder rates are often just an evaluation of how good or lacking the trauma centers are in various areas and neighborhoods, same thing goes for convictions and the criminal justice system in different areas. Reported violent crime is the best data we have and unfortunately it's sometimes very hard data to get compared to deaths, murders, convictions, etc.

I don’t think the trauma care level is skewing results better for rural areas in Iowa. Having dealt with parents, grandparents and in laws in recent years and as recently as last week from NW Iowa, it’s a medical desert there.

They are passing a dozen closer rural hospitals and transporting people by ambulance to Ames, Des Moines and Sioux Falls. Having been in multiple ERs in Des Moines, I can say without a doubt if I had a life threatening situation I would take being in any urban block in the state of Iowa over rural NW Iowa. There are some great doctors, nurses, EMTs, etc, but they just don’t have the resources to do much.

Also, this was a point of discussion during the Fairfield murder case. Lots of posters trying to claim that rural Iowa was more dangerous, and the numbers just don’t support this at all. Per capita murder in the larger metros is far beyond that of the rest of the state. Not that any metros in Iowa are actually dangerous.

There can be a lot of varying factors that can skew it, but in this state I sure don’t think superior care in rural Iowa is one of them. Most rural people are a LONG ambulance ride from many life saving services nowadays.

 

[simply1]

I don’t think the trauma care level is skewing results better for rural areas in Iowa. Having dealt with parents, grandparents and in laws in recent years and as recently as last week from NW Iowa, it’s a medical desert there.

They are passing a dozen closer rural hospitals and transporting people by ambulance to Ames, Des Moines and Sioux Falls. Having been in multiple ERs in Des Moines, I can say without a doubt if I had a life threatening situation I would take being in any urban block in the state of Iowa over rural NW Iowa. There are some great doctors, nurses, EMTs, etc, but they just don’t have the resources to do much.

Also, this was a point of discussion during the Fairfield murder case. Lots of posters trying to claim that rural Iowa was more dangerous, and the numbers just don’t support this at all. Per capita murder in the larger metros is far beyond that of the rest of the state. Not that any metros in Iowa are actually dangerous.

There can be a lot of varying factors that can skew it, but in this state I sure don’t think superior care in rural Iowa is one of them. Most rural people are a LONG ambulance ride from many life saving services nowadays.

The data I’ve seen is that the trauma centers and proximity to high end health care makes cities safer. I think he’s saying the opposite of what you took from it.

 

[CloniesForLife]

The data I’ve seen is that the trauma centers and proximity to high end health care makes cities safer. I think he’s saying the opposite of what you took from it.

Yeah the stats about gun violence going down are really just because we've optimized treating gun shot wounds so people don't die as much. We don't really track the proper data to see if actual shootings are decreasing. As I noted earlier the latest season of Revisionist History touches on this.

 

[Zyklon]

Quick visual update to anyone who’s trying to catch up

 

[deadeyededric]

Talking to family over the weekend and they brought up these 2 missing men. I hadn’t heard anything about it.

First one is Mark Riesberg. He went missing in October. I can’t find this in the news, but according to my family his car was found on a gravel road with the cell phone and wallet in the car. I’m not finding much info on this one.

Second is David Schultz and this one is really suspicious.
He drives truck and hauls hogs. On Tuesday, Nov 21st he picked up a load of feeder pigs in Eagle Grove and was supposed to deliver them in Sac City.
The next morning they found his semi with the pigs still in the trailer, going north of Sac City.
The truck was in the road, not pulled off to the side and his wallet and phone were in the truck too.

Wall Lake trucker's wife makes plea for help after his disappearance

"He works and he comes home, and that's it," Schultz said by phone Friday afternoon of the 53-year-old Wall Lake man, who went missing earlier this week under mysterious circumstances.

siouxcityjournal.com

Really weird, scary stuff.
Probably not related, but pretty coincidental to have similar missing persons cases close together in rural Iowa like this.

Are drugs involved? There are more people knocked off over drugs in rural Iowa than people realize.

 

[HFCS]

The data I’ve seen is that the trauma centers and proximity to high end health care makes cities safer. I think he’s saying the opposite of what you took from it.

I think AuH is making a separate and correct point that just distance (distance that is required for the things people like about rural life) in general is an inherent risk and the low populations and shrinking populations of rural NW Iowa just have a reality that $$$ investment to improve that isn't likely. It's understandable why people think "safe" often just means how likely you are to be stabbed/shot/beaten but there's more to it than that.

Even if you take proximity to emergency care out of it, often just lack of looking at things per capita is what makes rural life seem so much safer. I suspect the level of poverty is always the top driving factor of actual danger whether it's rural, urban or anywhere in between. Like someone else just pointed out, the likelihood of drugs/drug related violence being involved in a missing persons case is just as likely per capita in some rural areas and smaller towns as it is in most cities.

 

[stewart092284]

See, I know I'm weird, but I've lived in cities my whole life. Some big, some small.

As I start to get older, I find myself wanting to live in a more rural setting. Maybe not 100% my place the only one for miles and miles, but maybe, IDK.

Of course I'm an introvert who also doesn't always interact great with people.

 

[Acylum]

Exactly. He didn't leave a wife and kids behind. He appears far more likely to have intentionally disappeared.

Do you have statistics to back this up? Off the top of my head I can think of more people who tired of their responsibilities and took off. Or worse.

 

[peteypie]

Sounds like the next season of Fargo on FX.

 

[ClonerJams]

Perhaps there is a band of roving hot nymphos that is plying on the men of Iowa. These two poor souls are now in the clutches of diabolical women doing unspeakable acts to them, over and over.

 

[bellzisu]

From what I've heard, this pit was not empty yet.

Or at least not empty enough that they were considering pumping them again this week to check.

The pit was actually being pumped Friday last week. Pumpers were worried they were going to be questioned.

 

[Cy Guy69]

Not really any updates but DCI is now getting involved in the Schultz case

DCI joins case of missing Sac truckerUnited Cajun Navy takes point on search as officials stay mum - Storm Lake Times Pilot

The Iowa Department of Criminal Investigation has taken up the search for David Schultz, a Wall Lake man who’s been missing for more than a week. Iowa DCI will assist the Sac County …

www.stormlake.com

Search dogs, thermal airplanes and 150 S&R looking around the area to find nothing… You’d think the only possible way they hadn’t found a trace is if he was moved to another vehicle.

 

[Cy Guy69]

Do you have statistics to back this up? Off the top of my head I can think of more people who tired of their responsibilities and took off. Or worse.

I think it’s just an optimistic view point.

I can’t really find any data from adults. Typically “runaways” are from kids.

Side note, the amount of women under 21 that get reported missing compared to the rest of the population is insane.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

The trucker case reminds me a little of this case that happened in my backyard recently.

Elma man found guilty of murder, abuse of corpse

Sayvonne Jordan, the Elma man accused of murdering a Northern Iowa man and dismembering his corpse, was found guilty of 1st-degree murder and abuse of a corpse in Howard County Court Wednesday, Nov. 8.

www.kaaltv.com

My guess (knowing absolutely nothing about the case) is that he got involved in running drugs, got desperate, siphoned a little cash, and the guys up the chain found out about it. They knew what he did for a living, followed him, created this situation (like a roadblock that forced him to stop the truck), and abducted/murdered him.

Ya, could have been drugs, human trafficking, etc. That was my first thought.

 

[AuH2O]

I think AuH is making a separate and correct point that just distance (distance that is required for the things people like about rural life) in general is an inherent risk and the low populations and shrinking populations of rural NW Iowa just have a reality that $$$ investment to improve that isn't likely. It's understandable why people think "safe" often just means how likely you are to be stabbed/shot/beaten but there's more to it than that.

Even if you take proximity to emergency care out of it, often just lack of looking at things per capita is what makes rural life seem so much safer. I suspect the level of poverty is always the top driving factor of actual danger whether it's rural, urban or anywhere in between. Like someone else just pointed out, the likelihood of drugs/drug related violence being involved in a missing persons case is just as likely per capita in some rural areas and smaller towns as it is in most cities.

I was misunderstanding your original point, but now it makes sense with your subsequent posts.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

A feeder pig operation only has small hogs. Unlikely.

They chew on everything though.

 

[TitanClone]

Yeah the stats about gun violence going down are really just because we've optimized treating gun shot wounds so people don't die as much. We don't really track the proper data to see if actual shootings are decreasing. As I noted earlier the latest season of Revisionist History touches on this.

This seems opiniated vs fact based. Medical facilities are obligated to report gunshot victims, dead or alive. I highly doubt the proper data isn't there.