I know that by watching us play.
My hope is that better talent will ultimately change our style of play. If our strategy does not change.....oh boy. That's all I have to say.
McDermott under contract until 2015?
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My hope is that better talent will ultimately change our style of play. If our strategy does not change.....oh boy. That's all I have to say.
CycloneErik
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One thing I respect about JP is that he's not airing all the dirty laundry out in public. I don't really want people to know all of my own, much less airing out someone elses.
I keep thinking that JP is trying to move on and build the department, instead of dwelling in the past about it. Not a bad idea, really.
I keep thinking that JP is trying to move on and build the department, instead of dwelling in the past about it. Not a bad idea, really.
I've been saying since December next year is the year. I like McD as a guy but eventually he has to produce, and with Gilstrap likely getting one year as well as anybody being foolish to think Brackins will be back for a fourth year next year is when it needs to happen, because after that we lose our best players again.
It's NCAA or bust for me next year. I'll dump my season tickets if we don't.
That's a good one. Anyone that questions anything should go away or be quiet. Nothing to see here. It's all going great, right? Why is someone who questions 6-10, 4-12, 3-12 a bad fan? No one should be fired, but people should be questioning methodology and results with a record like that.
What coach is he underpaid compared to?
I have no idea what he's been up against, but since people with the closest connections to the program keep saying the same thing - that the program was in horrible shape and as a result was about to face penalties from the NCAA leads me to believe that the program was in worse shape than the common fan wants to admit or realize.
People always want to base everything on wins and losses - which in the grand scheme of things IS what is the determinant of the success or failure of a coach. And people look to year three of Morgan's tenure and say "he was successful - why the hell did we fire him?" Problem is, if the program was heading for as deep of trouble by the NCAA as those closest to the program say they were, and considering that Morgan coached a very undisciplined kind of basketball which only "worked" if he had some kind of talent to work with (and there's nobody that won't deny this), then who knows how bad years 4 or 5 of Morgan's tenure could have been? I think they could have been 2 of Iowa State's worst basketball years - and then we'd be ripping JP because we didn't hire McD when he came knocking on our door and instead settled into a nice spot at either K-State or Iowa.
It's actually $75 K.....
Man, will anybody stand up and say America has it's value priorities screwed up. An underperforming / underachieving coach gets a raise that 95% of Americans don't even get as a base salary.
The next industry that needs a correction / recession is sports.
honestly, i'm not surprised or upset at all about this. Indiana had to do something pretty similar with Crean due to the uncertainty about penalties at the time. Crean got a 10 year deal w/o ever coaching a game at IU.
I say irrational things about the program on here sometimes in the heat of the moment (or loss...), but i really do believe that Greg will be successful here. Has he made mistakes? I think all of us would say yes (i.e recruiting misses). The question inevitably will be whether he has learned from those mistakes. The future at least looks brighter next year - we trade Petersen, Haluska, and Thompson with Colvin, Gilstrap, Christopherson, and Pomlee. Plus our young guys will be more seasoned.
I say irrational things about the program on here sometimes in the heat of the moment (or loss...), but i really do believe that Greg will be successful here. Has he made mistakes? I think all of us would say yes (i.e recruiting misses). The question inevitably will be whether he has learned from those mistakes. The future at least looks brighter next year - we trade Petersen, Haluska, and Thompson with Colvin, Gilstrap, Christopherson, and Pomlee. Plus our young guys will be more seasoned.
CycloneErik
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I agree that this much of a raise is stunning. For me, it's extra-stunning since my employer announced Tuesday night that we won't be doing raises for the rest of 2009 (at least).
I love the extension, but the raise is a little touchy.
If there were deficiencies, or problems first remember JP was the AD the in Morgan's first year, so why the he11 does he claim exemption to what allegations were going on when he was manning the ship?
Second, like any other job in America, if an individual has some deficiencies, a performance review should have been drafted, with specific targets to hit and regular evaluations, and the individual should be given a chance to correct.
Instead, Jamie wanted to fire somebody to build his empire and say, "Look at what I did"
Nice article and it does a good job pointing out some of the reasons why. Loss of scholarships is a big deal and that's one thing you really can't hang on McDermott.
The buy out terms aren't that bad.
The buy out terms aren't that bad.
CycloneErik
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The article mentions three scholarships that were lost along the way. I'm not good at how long these were lost or any of that.
I'm assuming that we have them back now, and that's helping our recruiting just a little. Am I right, or is there something I'm missing?
Is this part of how we ended up with the walk-on type of player, since we had to recruit guys that would be OK with walking on?
I'm assuming that we have them back now, and that's helping our recruiting just a little. Am I right, or is there something I'm missing?
Is this part of how we ended up with the walk-on type of player, since we had to recruit guys that would be OK with walking on?
Beasley was never going to K-State because of Huggins. An assistant coach,that happened to be Beasley's coach was on K-States staff. Beasley said he was going to follow that coach no matter what. Before Beasley went to K-State he was committed to some mid-major school that his aau coach was at, once he made the move to K-State Beasley did as well. When Huggins left, the assistant stayed with K-State, so Beasley stayed as well.
Have you not noticed that with the players we have now, we need to be structured. They don't know what to do with them selves out there, they have no athleticism. They need to be told where to be and what to do. We have to run plays becuase no one can take it to the hoop. No one wants the ball, unless there wide open for a three. We cant play any different style right now, we don't have the type of players yet, but I think we are going in that direction. Even Craig has his limitations but he is far ahead of anyone else.
- Coach has the first consecutive 3 year stretch of losing seasons in over 20 years.
- Coach admits that the team HE put on the court is not athletic enough.
- Coach's player attrition stats are abysmal.
- Coach's offensive system routinely produces 50-60 pts and rarely Big 12 victories.
- Tell critical people to shut up because they don't know what is going on 'behind the scenes'.
- Tell critics to stay away from the games and support another team.
- Tell critics to hang tough apparently for another 6 years, because dang it 4 years simply isn't enough time to turn around a BB program even if it is enough time to judge the President of the United States.
DING....DING...DING ...and the winner is: Go2Guy!!! You said it all as far as Im concerned...The way that Jamie picks coaches I for one am Done with Jamie ever picking another coach...I dont care if Greg Mac gets another 50 years at Ames and never wins another game ..I just dont want another coaching hire by THAT LITTLE BOOKEEPER!!!! Not now Not ever...zip nada!!!!
"Why that little bookeeper fired me"...quote by Dan McCarney
Dan McCarney the last football coach to get us to a bowl game...
"Maybe Pollard shouldnt have fired McCarney"...quoting Marty er Martha Tyrrell:biglaugh:
McDermott could lead us to the NCAA tournament next year and you all would still call for his head and Pollard's head. Paul Rhodes could lead us to the BCS Title game and people would still call for Pollard's head. How the hell do you people live everyday life not trusting anyone around you?
CycloneErik
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I support the way he's hired coaches. It doesn't leave people hanging in the wind publicly, it doesn't leave us hanging publicly. He just works until the job is done.
I'll support Jamie until someone can prove that the coaches he hired didn't inherit struggling programs that weren't going to have the talent to compete.
Maybe quoting Marty isn't the best source to use:wink:
CycloneErik
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I work with a lot of folks like that. I think the complaining takes the place of food.
