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CykoAGR

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No, you can't fire a person for not over achieving. It's awesome if you do but you aren't fired for meeting expectations. You also aren't rewarded.

Wouldn't a contract extension be a reward? I beleive that Mac did get a "reward" for underachieving.
 

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I can't relate to any of this; I work a 7-4 job and sure as **** don't take it home with me.
 

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Agree...and that reward looks pretty foolish in the current light.


Bake, I'm with you. Foolish reward but IMO we will find out if all of the Mac backers still feel the same way at this point next season because I do not see any change in coaching coming until mid-way through the season next year at the earliest.

I think by this point if Mac and the MBB team hasn't made a turn for the better and is at least in the middle of the Big XII then Pollard will be forced to do SOMETHING in order to get people back in the seats at Hilton. We are in a terrible spot, our coach is not having the success that we would like and yet he was given something that at this point he does not deserve (extension) which is forcing ISU to prolong what seems to be inevitable (sp) and that is finding a new MBB coach.
 

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That is the result of GOOD coaching, as opposed to what we've seen from McD. 8 turnovers comes from the practice of ripping the ball out and being in the right places on defense, which stems from good coaching. If we got 30 turnovers from Kansas in MBB and beat them, I would say the same for McD but simply is not the case!!

I'm not trying to be an *** here or rip on CPR, but by that standard, is CPR a good coach then? We didn't do squat the next week, and got blasted in College Station only causing 2 turnovers. The next week we got blasted by Oklahoma State and didn't get a single turnover. Is that bad coaching?

And if you're really going to credit all 8 turnovers to our defense, :eek:
 

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That is the result of GOOD coaching, as opposed to what we've seen from McD. 8 turnovers comes from the practice of ripping the ball out and being in the right places on defense, which stems from good coaching. If we got 30 turnovers from Kansas in MBB and beat them, I would say the same for McD but simply is not the case!!
So Rhoads taught the Nebraska player to drop the ball as soon as he got within a yard of the goal-line?
Coaching is so fickle...take away two dumb mistakes, and the Chiz has us in a bowl game in our 2nd season.
 

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KG please stop. Stop defending McD. just admit the guy has struggled big time.
Please don’t make excuses for the man.

Would you please stop attacking KG just because he disagrees with you?

Are people now only allowed to post if they have the requisite personal attacks on McDermott?

Also, I have not seen kg say that McDermott hasn't "struggled big time". Do you have a link to where kg says that McDermott hasn't struggled or this season hasn't been a disappointment?
 

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I'm not trying to be an *** here or rip on CPR, but by that standard, is CPR a good coach then? We didn't do squat the next week, and got blasted in College Station only causing 2 turnovers. The next week we got blasted by Oklahoma State and didn't get a single turnover. Is that bad coaching?

And if you're really going to credit all 8 turnovers to our defense, :eek:

I see your point, but in football, the OC and DC have just as much responsibility as the HC. I understand we had highs and lows last year, but did anyone honestly expect CPR to come in and take pretty much the same squad that had 2 wins the previous year to a bowl game?? I know I didn't. If this was GMAC's 1st or even 2nd season he probably still gets a pass from me, but 4 years of the same results, if not worse, is unacceptable. I will also add that CPR will get a pass from me this year if it turns out bad because he's still in the "building" stage for this program. I do expect at least some positives though.
 

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So Rhoads taught the Nebraska player to drop the ball as soon as he got within a yard of the goal-line?
Coaching is so fickle...take away two dumb mistakes, and the Chiz has us in a bowl game in our 2nd season.

How did 2 mistakes cost us 4 games?

PR was able to get his team to take advantage of those turnovers. Without those we don't win but if we our offense turns the ball over once we may lose. Luck is where opportunity and preparation meet. The opportunity arose and CPR had the team prepared.
 

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I see your point, but in football, the OC and DC have just as much responsibility as the HC. I understand we had highs and lows last year, but did anyone honestly expect CPR to come in and take pretty much the same squad that had 2 wins the previous year to a bowl game?? I know I didn't.

I actually did. In Chizik's last year, we lost at the goal line to CU, imploded in the second half against KU, lost a dog fight in Iowa City, lost a heart breaker at UNLV, and had a shot to win in Manhatten. Players were a year older, and we didn't lose any huge pieces. 5-6 wins was my expectation, and we got it. :yes:
 

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Would you please stop attacking KG just because he disagrees with you?

Are people now only allowed to post if they have the requisite personal attacks on McDermott?

Also, I have not seen kg say that McDermott hasn't "struggled big time". Do you have a link to where kg says that McDermott hasn't struggled or this season hasn't been a disappointment?

Agreed. No reason to fight amongst ourselves over GMAC. He isn't worth it.
 

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Would you please stop attacking KG just because he disagrees with you?

Are people now only allowed to post if they have the requisite personal attacks on McDermott?

Also, I have not seen kg say that McDermott hasn't "struggled big time". Do you have a link to where kg says that McDermott hasn't struggled or this season hasn't been a disappointment?

I don't think KG is getting blasted around here because he disagrees with people, I think he gets blasted for what he is bringing to the table with that argument. All we ever get is that if only we knew what he knew we would feel different, but he never offers up any of those details. It is just what happens when you call someone out on the board for being wrong and then bring nothing of subsance to the table to back that up. The I know something you don't know posts never seem to go over very well around here, and add to that the passion that some people have on this topic and the outcome is going to be pretty obvious.
 

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I actually did. In Chizik's last year, we lost at the goal line to CU, imploded in the second half against KU, lost a dog fight in Iowa City, lost a heart breaker at UNLV, and had a shot to win in Manhatten. Players were a year older, and we didn't lose any huge pieces. 5-6 wins was my expectation, and we got it. :yes:

Same can be said of last year's MBB team though right? We got Brackins to come back, added another potential NBA caliber player in Gil, and two more decent guards in Scotty and Colvin, and this is not including players that got injured or left i.e. Booz, Lucca, and JVB. So weren't your expectations high for this team? And if they were, aren't you disappointed in the performance of this team?? And if yes to both of those, who do we have to blame for this?? A team's performance is a direct reflection of coaching IMO, and this team and/or coach did not get it done. All I'm trying to say is I think GMAC is a bad fit for us and both parties should move on.
 

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I'm aware...Most CAN'T relate, really don't know how else to explain it. Maybe follow Mac around for a week...All my credits says you can't keep up.

I think a lot of his hard work goes down the tube because for the season we are not outstanding in any area.:no:

OFFENSE: the team is 11th in free throws, 6th in threes, 8th in fieldgoal percentage, 11th in scoring.
:mask::skeptical::cute::dull:


DEFENSE: 7th in opponents shooting percentage, 9th in points allowed, 5th in rebounding, 4th in blocked shots, 5th in assists, last in steals, and 11th in turnover margin.

:confused::eek::chatterbox::wideeyed:


RPI.COM; ISU has recently fallen from #104 to #120. It does not matter who you play if you cannot win.

RealTimeRPI.com Men's College Basketball Rating Percentage Index (RPI) Ratings - A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet

:th_jtteglad::th_Jttesur::th_o::eek4wd::eek:o7dt::rofl8yi::baffled5wh::pfrown:
 

IcSyU

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Same can be said of last year's MBB team though right? We got Brackins to come back, added another potential NBA caliber player in Gil, and two more decent guards in Scotty and Colvin, and this is not including players that got injured or left i.e. Booz, Lucca, and JVB. So weren't your expectations high for this team? And if they were, aren't you disappointed in the performance of this team?? And if yes to both of those, who do we have to blame for this?? A team's performance is a direct reflection of coaching IMO, and this team and/or coach did not get it done. All I'm trying to say is I think GMAC is a bad fit for us and both parties should move on.

Gilstrap, Scotty, and Colvin had never stepped on the floor in a Big 12 game. That's where it becomes gray for me. Were my expectations high? Yes.

I'm not sure I agree that a team's performance is a direct reflection of coaching. Did Roy Williams forget how to coach overnight?

I'm not sold on GMac being a bad fit. We need a shooting guard badly right now. This team misses Lucca more than anyone will ever admit. People say his defense sucked, but those same people worship Gilstrap, who is an awful defender. Those same people worship Brackins and Dendy, and they play awful defense. Lucca opened the floor up for both Gilstrap and Brackins to do close to whatever they please. Brackins was a tougher double team because if the guard collapses, Lucca cans a 3, if the other big man comes across the lane, Hamilton has an easy dunk. Now you can easily collapse a guard on Brackins because we don't have anyone without JVB, Boozer, and Lucca who can light it up. Scotty plays his butt off, but he just isn't the same threat. The formula to beating us now is pack it in and make us shoot jump shots, and we won't win basketball games that way.
 

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McD needs to to save every cent he makes. He is not very good at his job, and won't be in this career very long. Fill up the piggy bank while the coins are coming easy.
At this level, I'm sure he'd do just fine at an ivy league or smaller D1 job of that caliber.....He's just not cutting it here in the big leagues....its been proven....
 

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I don't think KG is getting blasted around here because he disagrees with people, I think he gets blasted for what he is bringing to the table with that argument. All we ever get is that if only we knew what he knew we would feel different, but he never offers up any of those details. It is just what happens when you call someone out on the board for being wrong and then bring nothing of subsance to the table to back that up. The I know something you don't know posts never seem to go over very well around here, and add to that the passion that some people have on this topic and the outcome is going to be pretty obvious.

If there is nothing of substance...quit reading my posts. At least, that's my approach...to each his own.
 

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Gilstrap, Scotty, and Colvin had never stepped on the floor in a Big 12 game. That's where it becomes gray for me. Were my expectations high? Yes.

I'm not sure I agree that a team's performance is a direct reflection of coaching. Did Roy Williams forget how to coach overnight?

I'm not sold on GMac being a bad fit. We need a shooting guard badly right now. This team misses Lucca more than anyone will ever admit. People say his defense sucked, but those same people worship Gilstrap, who is an awful defender. Those same people worship Brackins and Dendy, and they play awful defense. Lucca opened the floor up for both Gilstrap and Brackins to do close to whatever they please. Brackins was a tougher double team because if the guard collapses, Lucca cans a 3, if the other big man comes across the lane, Hamilton has an easy dunk. Now you can easily collapse a guard on Brackins because we don't have anyone without JVB, Boozer, and Lucca who can light it up. Scotty plays his butt off, but he just isn't the same threat. The formula to beating us now is pack it in and make us shoot jump shots, and we won't win basketball games that way.

I understand your arguments there. Do I think Lucca is a d-bag for leaving, yes, but the team did need him to open things up. My point was that this team had more potential than last year and simply didn't live up to the hype. For the record, I do not "worship" any players on this team including Brackins. They all have holes in their game that needs work(especially on the defensive side). As for Roy Williams, I have never thought he was a great X's and O's guy. Great recruiter and salesman of a program, yes, but coaching not really. When he was at KU, we beat them quite often(I think 5 or 6 in a row at one point), and there was a reason his teams never won a championship and often were upset in the tourney. I attribute that to bad preparation(sp?) on his part. Once he gets a solid PG at Carolina again, they'll be fine, but I still would take several coaches before him at tourney time. Jim Boeheim and Bill Self being two of them just off the top of my head.
 

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Would you please stop attacking KG just because he disagrees with you?

Are people now only allowed to post if they have the requisite personal attacks on McDermott?

Also, I have not seen kg say that McDermott hasn't "struggled big time". Do you have a link to where kg says that McDermott hasn't struggled or this season hasn't been a disappointment?

Oh Bawbie...I'm glad you chimed in to save KG.

I don't need a statement or thread that proves my point. KG makes excuses for McD. on regular basis. Go back and read for yourself.
It's clear as day that McD. has problems with time management, player rotation (even before the short bench), adjustments during the game, communication with players, fundamentals of the game, motivation, etc...
Sure some of these can fall on the players but the man in charge is the leader of this operation. We have seen zero improvement over 4 years...crazy.

It’s time to hold people accountable for the product on the court and stop making excuses for the lack of product.
 
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