Because he hasn't changed his ways at all and continues to make the same mistakes over and over again? Because he consistently tries to make the flashy play instead of the efficient play and he rarely converts?
Lucious Needs to wake up
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Because he hasn't changed his ways at all and continues to make the same mistakes over and over again? Because he consistently tries to make the flashy play instead of the efficient play and he rarely converts?
CycloneErik
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So, basically the way we started last year.
He'll get there. It's only a handful of games right now.
Just to compare:
Korie...........MSU/ISU (MSU numbers are 3 year average)
Avg. Minutes 17.5/27.0
Avg. Points 4.8/7.7
FG Pct. 34.1/28.6
3 Pt. Pct. 31.8/34.3
Avg. Assists 2.6/4.0
Avg. Turnovers 1.6/4.0
Korie...........MSU/ISU (MSU numbers are 3 year average)
Avg. Minutes 17.5/27.0
Avg. Points 4.8/7.7
FG Pct. 34.1/28.6
3 Pt. Pct. 31.8/34.3
Avg. Assists 2.6/4.0
Avg. Turnovers 1.6/4.0
I said that is the way he currently is. And then I said he obviously hasn't noticed because he hasn't changed anything. Will something change? I hope so. But there is no indication so far that he plans on it.
Last year the turning point was moving Royce from basically the 5 to the 1. That's when the team put it together. There is no big change to make like that this year. He needs to change his attitude and style in general.
Getting used to game speed again. I'm sure Fred is working with him, and that he will improve quite a bit.
I was at the NC A&T game. An NC player had the ball and bumped into KL and no foul was called. KL then retaliated by trying to aggresively block the NC player and was called for a foul. Right after that he picked up another over-aggressive foul after we made a basket. Had to sit out the rest of the half. To me they were the kind of "pay-back" fouls you would see from a high school sophomore , not a 5th year college seniior.
I don't think Clyburn is like RW at all, but Clyburn as a Scottie Pippen type point is our best look right now. We really wouldn't think that much of it if we hadn't had the tank of a power forward at point last year, guys built like Will run the point all the time in the NBA and from time to time for top college teams.
It also fits for getting our most productive scorer McGee on the court the most. Clyburn, McGee, Babb, Ejim, Booker is our best defensive lineup. Clyburn, McGee, Ejim, Gibson, Niang is our best offensive lineup so far.
I think this will change the same way Chris Allen lost ISU games early and won ISU games late in the season, but right now it's pretty clear that initiating the offense through Clyburn is the most effective.
It also fits for getting our most productive scorer McGee on the court the most. Clyburn, McGee, Babb, Ejim, Booker is our best defensive lineup. Clyburn, McGee, Ejim, Gibson, Niang is our best offensive lineup so far.
I think this will change the same way Chris Allen lost ISU games early and won ISU games late in the season, but right now it's pretty clear that initiating the offense through Clyburn is the most effective.
I always assume PG's will struggle their freshman year more than any other position, there are exceptions but generally they need more time. Look at how Tinsley was head and shoulders so much better than Hinrich as a freshman and sophomore but Hinrich still ended up a great Big 12 and NBA player, those two years made a huge difference.
I assume Fred is planning things out so we always have depth at point guard and never rely on freshman point guards giving us a ton of quality minutes.
Very talented but erratic player.
I think he expected himself to be the best player on the team. That is a role he is not good at.
Hopefully he does some good things to cancel out the bad. A big game against BYU would be a start. BYU is a team that can absolutely destroy similar or lesser talent so its a good measuring stick.
I think he expected himself to be the best player on the team. That is a role he is not good at.
Hopefully he does some good things to cancel out the bad. A big game against BYU would be a start. BYU is a team that can absolutely destroy similar or lesser talent so its a good measuring stick.
He just tries to do too much, forces the issue when he shouldn't. He needs to learn to slow it down and let the game come to him. The talent is obviously there. He just needs to learn to harness it
This team has a bunch of jackers and only one shooter. That's the problem. When our starting point guard is one of the biggest jackers on the team we are gonna be in trouble.
Anybody can throw up contested threes... if that is our offense we aren't going to beat good teams. Korie needs to decide if he's going to be a point guard or our best jacker.
Anybody can throw up contested threes... if that is our offense we aren't going to beat good teams. Korie needs to decide if he's going to be a point guard or our best jacker.
Maybe not as talented as he was made out to be over the past year, but there is talent there
I don't think there is any question he is talented, but his decision making is extremely poor so far. If you count decision making in talent, it makes him a lot less talented.
KL has the talent, it's decision making that is questionable. Jacking up contested 3's early in the shot clock, fancy passes, etc. last year there was no question who the best player on the team was and once he got going the rest followed. Clyburn appears to be that guy this year, he will need to lead with his play and become the primary option with everyone else filling their roles, KL seems to think he is the guy at this point. It's early, I think they will figure it out.
I understand the reason for concern, but I've heard from multiple people who have played with/against KL, and they all agree that it's rare for him NOT to be the best player on the floor. He clearly is not off to a good start and there is a lot of growth needed, but, last years team really looked out of sync in the early going as well, and I expect a similar turnaround this year. Hoiberg seems to do a great job of utilizing each players' strength collectively, if he can get everyone to buy into their role (which I understand is easier said than done), we should see a very similar season to last. IMO, if he can get Royce and Chris Allen to buy in, I sure like to think he'll be able to work with KL. Time will tell, lot of basketball left.
I think he'll figure it out and get better but Lucious does strike me as in the same mold as last years Chris Allen. They both acted and shot like they were on-fire ala NBA jam. I hope Lucious at least takes a look at his stats line and realizes that him shooting as much as he does actually hurts his team. Give McGee those shots, or even Clyburn and we are a much better team (IMHO).
