Also I suggest just for the sake of us not turning into the football forum....can we please just chill with calling for the coach's head until after we wrestled a few duals? After we get a better view of where we stand team wise and individual wise.. then it can be open season if we aren't in the stepping forward mode
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I am not calling for KJ's head... I just think that he struggles with certain aspects of leading a program. He does somethings quite well. Just not enough good things to get us back to competing as a top tier program. If we are happy falling in the TOP 20 then he is doing a fine job.
BTW - Yes I have family on the team.
WHO is your family you coward....I suggest if you or your "family" are so unhappy then you talk it over w/ KJ. I'm tired of the diarrhea that spills from your mouth always attacking the character of the head coach. It doesn't help our guys and it doesn't help us get recruits when they read these boards and filth comes spilling out of certain people's mouth. Go talk to KJ about your concerns then I'm sure he'd be glad to set up a meeting...but you won't do that cuz whatever agenda you have against him you will hide behind a message board...your a bum and NO one wants to hear your option. "If your not for us, your against is" quote Kevin Jackson....your against is so quit acting like your for us.
There is support for the program today. But while we're discussing this support, I'm not sure the same level of support was there while Cael was here, or if it grew after he left, or if there was fault on both sides of the aisle for the outdated things that were there when Cael was HC. I just know things were outdated while CS was here, and about a year or so after KJ was hired, everything started to get updated. Who was at fault for that? I'm not entirely sure if it was the AD, CS for not pushing for CWC memberships/support, or a combination of both that lead to CS's irritability on the subject.
Also, I always find it hilarious that everyone that "doesn't really follow wrestling" pitches a ***** about the state of the program, and a lot of the people that follow wrestling like it's a religion see progress.
Honest question, but have you seen how much progress has been made since KJ's second year (after we lost that stable of horses that returned after CS abandoned ship), or are you just looking at what has been done the past year or two?
The Big 12 as a conference was on shaking ground when Cael was here. I believe a lot of money showed up for the Big 12 schools as the conference stabilized and Iowa State Athletic budget jumped. Recently is when the wrestling room got expanded and locker rooms also updated. I think if you ask KJ, he would say he has everything he needs to produce champions.
I also believe that when Trent became CWC head coach & the CWC board put a big effort into fundraising & keeping members and website updated. Garett Kiley and CWC board is doing a fantastic job, especially when you compare it to 3-5 years ago.
I am happy with where the support is at from an AD, Coaching Staff, and CWC board level. I wish the fans would enjoy the positives instead of the negatives
I also believe that when Trent became CWC head coach & the CWC board put a big effort into fundraising & keeping members and website updated. Garett Kiley and CWC board is doing a fantastic job, especially when you compare it to 3-5 years ago.
I am happy with where the support is at from an AD, Coaching Staff, and CWC board level. I wish the fans would enjoy the positives instead of the negatives
Been a season ticket holder since the early 90's, this post is where I think fans like you lose all credibility. Go back and look at our actual results as a team over the last 30 years, sorry to say we haven't been the elite program that you so fondly remember since Nichols was our HC.
If you consider that Cael left us in a huge hole KJ has us going in the right direction.
Do I wish we could have gotten back to a consistent top 15 team, frequent top 10 and occasionally compete for but never win a title quicker? Sure. If you wanted instant results KJ was the wrong hire
I can tell you are a wealth of wrestling knowledge. If you think that I have an agenda your nuts. You assume my family is unhappy? Sometimes the truth hurts.... there is nothing in any of my posts that are not facts.
Besides if you think that KJ will change his ways because anyone may or may not like his style - your nuts. Truth is coaches know one way to do things - their own way! You are obviously happy with being 10 to 20th at the end of the season. You must have also been a conference runner-up. But don't sweat it that 4x4 cube in corporate USA and that Chevy Impala look great on you.
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I agree that KJ is doing a "Good" job and yes wrestlers are getting better! We are also getting "good" recruits but he is letting Super-Stars in his own back yard get away while Iowa and Iowa State are winning with a fare amount of Iowa kids! UNI is down this season but they have had 3 Amazing recruiting classes and Iowa has as well.
I know for sure that ISU is not even calling the top tier Iowa kids I guess so much for being "Iowa" State. KJ will continue to be a top 20 school. With the number of D1 Wrestling programs that is like being Top 50 in Football. In my opinion we should want more...
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Ok then again, I invite you to share your wealth of knowledge with him. Cael and Bobby too had huge number of Iowa kids.....Not!! And in fact both Cael and Bobby both told KJ not to waste his time recruiting Iowa kids if they had no previous ISU ties, it's a waste of time...check the roster history! AND you want to talk about Iowa super stars getting away....I believe Marcus Harrington was the ONLY team Iowa kid to win Fargo, last time I checked he was sporting the cardinal and gold singlet....AND the last time I looked at NCAA finishes 11 & 12 were closer to a top 10 finish not top 20. And by the way I drive a Cadillac....and so does KJ
Actually 11th and 12th are closer to top 20 finishes than top ten finished. Mainly because they ARE TOP 20 FINISHES AND NOT TOP TEN FINISHES! If top 20 is good for you then we have the right guy. I want more. We can have more.
What? UNI recruiting rankings: 2014 NR, 2013 NR, 2012 #18, 2011 NR, 2010 #20
ISU recruiting rankings: 2014 #12, 2013 NR, 2012 #11, 2011 NR, 2010 #6, 2009 NR
Per D1 College Wrestling. Where are those amazing recruiting classes that UNI has?
CycloneErik
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In my opinion those Rankings do not mean much. UNI will get the respect those Iowa Kids deserve. I hope they finish right below us every year, but I will continue to root for them when they are not facing us. Both the coaches and kids there are doing a nice job...
Judoka, first of all, thanks for your posts that helps keep the rest of us amateurs in the know on ISU wrestling.
I found your scholarship comments interesting. Why it a numbers problem for us vs. the elite programs? They would have the same scholarship limit as us (?) or do walk-on programs play big part here?
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Programs in talent-rich states can get top-level talent for a 50% scholarship because the kid would only be responsible for footing half the cost of in-state tuition. Anyone from out of state would need a higher percentage in order to have the same out of pocket cost.
What theshadow said. But there's more to it than just that because very few wrestlers are on a full scholarship. If you're going to end up having to pay off loans anyways, stuff like non-athletic aid and desire to compete for a specific school plays heavily into it. When a guy grows up wanting to be a Hawkeye, .3 of a scholarship isn't going to change their mind. And if a guy wants to wrestle for Cael Sanderson, half a schollie isn't going to sway their decision. It isn't like football where everybody gets a full ride and only coaching & playing time matter. There are really talented wrestlers going to Penn State, Iowa, Minnesota, Cornell, Ohio State, and other schools right now knowing they'll be riding the bench possibly their whole careers.
And also, to be clear, Iowa State is a "have', not a "have not", in wrestling. We benefit greatly from having a strong tradition, and the CWC brings in talented senior level wrestlers that help in getting the best out of our guys. We just don't have all the advantages that the very top level schools do. I'm struggling to find a good comparison for a football team that sits where we do as a wrestling team. But maybe a Michigan State or a Clemson. They are top schools that have resources and can bring in good recruits on their own merits. But they aren't at the very tip of the mountain and need luck and excellent coaching to take them to the peak.
Like I posted earlier. Iowa State has the support and staff to turn any given recruit into a national champion. Our challenge is just getting enough of them on campus.
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Judoka ...
I would agree with nearly everything you said in this post. ISU is certainly a Have Program. Great facility, Very Well taken care of when it comes to gear and clothing, Plus plenty of quality practice partners both in the room and from the CWC. One could say that those are all the resources a young person needs to be successful...
With that said KJ is the missing link. The room is divided and their is not a balance from the top. As a wrestler you are either a have or a have not - PERIOD! If you are not one of KJ's boys it does not matter what you do you will not get the same treatment and you certainly will never get a shot.
Thank goodness for the assistant coaches in that room because they are the glue that keeps the room in tact. KJ is not the guy to get us to a TOP 10 school and I feel like that is just fine by Jamie Pollard. His love is Track and Field... END OF STORY!
Contact me via private message and I can tell you many situations where these things are CRYSTAL Clear!
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I would agree with nearly everything you said in this post. ISU is certainly a Have Program. Great facility, Very Well taken care of when it comes to gear and clothing, Plus plenty of quality practice partners both in the room and from the CWC. One could say that those are all the resources a young person needs to be successful...
With that said KJ is the missing link. The room is divided and their is not a balance from the top. As a wrestler you are either a have or a have not - PERIOD! If you are not one of KJ's boys it does not matter what you do you will not get the same treatment and you certainly will never get a shot.
Thank goodness for the assistant coaches in that room because they are the glue that keeps the room in tact. KJ is not the guy to get us to a TOP 10 school and I feel like that is just fine by Jamie Pollard. His love is Track and Field... END OF STORY!
Contact me via private message and I can tell you many situations where these things are CRYSTAL Clear!
#TimeforChange
