Alarson, I miss the backwards cowboy riding the doomsday machine. But, I guess it has already exploded.
Letter from GG and JP
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Alarson, I miss the backwards cowboy riding the doomsday machine. But, I guess it has already exploded.
Conversely, here's OU's 1991 roster:
1991 OU Football Roster - SoonerStats.com - Oklahoma Sooners Football, Basketball, and Baseball Scores, Records, and Stats
55 from Texas, 33 from Oklahoma
Also, numbers don't tell the whole story. During the Texas coaching tenures of Fred Akers, David McWilliams, and John Mackovic, OU regulary got many of the top tier Texas recruits, and Texas resorted to their second or third choices.
OU has not needed Texas to be in their conference to have tremendous recruiting success there. I do agree though, that I doubt they want to be separated from them now.
One thing we have that many of the other schools don't, and Beebe obviously doesn't, is smarts. As soon as the big10 made their announcement months ago, we should have been banding together with other schools to leave the big12 and put together a strong conference of our own. One that would look out for all the teams, not just texas. The big12 has never and will never look out for us, so plans should have been in motion for a preemptive strike. We should've been looking out for ourselves before it came to this. Now, anywhere we end up will be too little too late.
This letter is an indication that we have been playing wait and see for way too long, crossing our fingers that the big12 would take care of us. We have been playing defense when we should have been playing offense.
Current Big 10
65 million people / 11 schools = 5.91 million per school
$154.2 million in TV revenue / 11 schools = 14.02
Population to TV Revenue Ratio = 2.37
Current PAC 10
51 mil / 10 schools = 5.1 mil per school
$80.1 million in TV revenue / 10 schools = 8.01
Population to TV Revenue Ratio = 1.57
Current SEC
50 million / 12 schools = 4.17 million per school.
$135 million in TV revenue / 12 schools = 11.25
Population to TV Revenue Ratio = 2.70
Current Big 12
46 million / 12 schools = 3.83 million per school
$103.1 million in TV revenue / 11 schools = 8.59
Population to TV Revenue Ratio = 2.24
Long story short, the Pac 10 is not good business. As you can see the SEC brings in the most revenue when compared to the population size and the Big 10 and Big 12 are closer than I expected. It is no wonder why the Pac 10 is trying to tap into the Big 12 TV market.
My hope is that both JP and GG are working their Big Ten ties hard. I also hope that Gene Smith (The OSU AD) and maybe Martin Jischke, as an AAU board member and former Purdue President, don't forget their ISU ties and advocate for the Cyclones.
I'd like to know why there is a "Tech problem." Don't they need an odd number of teams? UNLESS THEY ARE TAKING IOWA STATE!!!!
I don't know that Gene Smith has a special fondness for ISU, except as a former employer. I know he still resents it that no one from ISU has told Johnny Orr to shut the **** up with his non-stop critcism of his old AD.
On the flip side, Geoffroy is close to many (if not all) Big Ten presidents, and I imagine they are concerned about our future.
Yeah, we should have formed a new conference with memebers who all were crossing their fingers that they would be invited to the B10. Great plan.
I'd like to know why there is a "Tech problem." Don't they need an odd number of teams? UNLESS THEY ARE TAKING IOWA STATE!!!!
Because Tech has no business academically in the big 10.
I said "My hope is", I was not stating any fact. ISU, being an AAU member school and an academic and research university that could hold it own against most of the Big Ten schools, would not be out of place in that conference. Academics and research dollars are ISU's strong suits for any conference realignment scenario. To paraphrase Gene Smith in a ESPN Big Ten blog, do not underestimate the importance of academics and research in the Big Ten's plans for expansion.I'd like to know why there is a "Tech problem." Don't they need an odd number of teams? UNLESS THEY ARE TAKING IOWA STATE!!!!
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The obvious reason that JO didn't like GS is that he is, and always will be, football centric. Therefore, most of ISU's athletic budget under GS's term was spent improving the football facilities which demanded improvement to become competitive. As a result, funding for the MBB program shrunk slightly which got up JO's nose considerably. Still, the MBB program stayed very competitive through all that. Remember, after JO retired, GS hired Tim Floyd, then Larry Eustachy, both tremendous hires along with Dan McCarney and Bill Fennelly a few years earlier. Don't forget the improvements to the athletic facilities under GS's tenure. GS was probably the finest ISU AD ever. JP's two recent hires need to pan out before he supplants GS in that ranking IMO. I'm sure GS still remembers ISU proudly for the accomplishments he made here, so his feelings for ISU should still be strong. His stay here was a big stepping-stone for GS to better things such as landing the AD job at The Ohio State University.
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K-State has now responded to the realignment chatter:
Big 12 Schools Respond - WDAF
Kansas State K-STATE REAFFIRMS SUPPORT FOR BIG 12 CONFERENCE
MANHATTAN -- Kansas State University President Kirk Schulz, Faculty Athletics Representative Mike Holen, Director of Athletics John Currie and Senior Woman's Administrator Jill Shields participated in annual meetings of the Big 12 Conference this week in Kansas City.
As numerous media outlets have reported, a major issue of discussion centered on potential national athletics conference realignment. The meetings concluded Friday with a three-hour Board of Directors session.
President Schulz was positive and optimistic about the progress made.
"Kansas State University remains firmly committed to the Big 12 and continues to believe in the long-term viability of our league. We are optimistic that this process will result in our existing membership affirming our cohesive long-term future together," Schulz said.
Much media speculation this week centered on rumors suggesting that some Big 12 institutions might be invited to join other leagues.
"The media speculation is certainly uncomfortable for those of us who have demonstrated that we are firmly committed to the Big 12," said Currie. "However different schools may have unique institutional decision processes that we need to respect. As a charter member of the original Big Six conference going back to 1928, we will continue to assess the landscape and position K-State for a bright future."
Legendary football coach Bill Snyder, who attended meetings of the league football coaches last month, today added his thoughts on K-State's position in the Big 12.
"The Big 12 Conference has experienced unparalleled success over the last 14 years and continues to be regarded as one of the nation's top conferences. At K-State, we have been fortunate to be a part of that success thanks to our truly avid fans, who have helped make our conference what it is today, while we have also been able to continue historic rivalries with our regional counterparts and develop competitive series with other fellow league institutions."
Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe held a news conference on Friday to wrap up the meetings. A full video replay of his comments is available at Big 12 Conference - Official Athletic Site.
Big 12 Schools Respond - WDAF
Kansas State K-STATE REAFFIRMS SUPPORT FOR BIG 12 CONFERENCE
MANHATTAN -- Kansas State University President Kirk Schulz, Faculty Athletics Representative Mike Holen, Director of Athletics John Currie and Senior Woman's Administrator Jill Shields participated in annual meetings of the Big 12 Conference this week in Kansas City.
As numerous media outlets have reported, a major issue of discussion centered on potential national athletics conference realignment. The meetings concluded Friday with a three-hour Board of Directors session.
President Schulz was positive and optimistic about the progress made.
"Kansas State University remains firmly committed to the Big 12 and continues to believe in the long-term viability of our league. We are optimistic that this process will result in our existing membership affirming our cohesive long-term future together," Schulz said.
Much media speculation this week centered on rumors suggesting that some Big 12 institutions might be invited to join other leagues.
"The media speculation is certainly uncomfortable for those of us who have demonstrated that we are firmly committed to the Big 12," said Currie. "However different schools may have unique institutional decision processes that we need to respect. As a charter member of the original Big Six conference going back to 1928, we will continue to assess the landscape and position K-State for a bright future."
Legendary football coach Bill Snyder, who attended meetings of the league football coaches last month, today added his thoughts on K-State's position in the Big 12.
"The Big 12 Conference has experienced unparalleled success over the last 14 years and continues to be regarded as one of the nation's top conferences. At K-State, we have been fortunate to be a part of that success thanks to our truly avid fans, who have helped make our conference what it is today, while we have also been able to continue historic rivalries with our regional counterparts and develop competitive series with other fellow league institutions."
Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe held a news conference on Friday to wrap up the meetings. A full video replay of his comments is available at Big 12 Conference - Official Athletic Site.
The flaw in this logic is that it assumes that these revenue numbers would be staying the same after a renegotiated contract.
CycloneErik
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Nice. But most of us who are affirming our support aren't the ones with the most leverage to leave, so I guess I take it for what it's worth.
You don't need to be a member, it's free.....just need to create an ID.
DeLoss Dodds stood in a Kansas City hotel hallway this week and told the truth about conference realignment as only a straight-talking Texan can tell it.
"We didn't start this," said the Texas athletic director. "But if we need to finish it, we'll finish it."
I think Texas is ready to finish it, and here's how.
Nebraska has a deadline.
When Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe emerged from a presidents meeting Friday and talked about a "process" by which the league will decide how to sort the dalliances of some schools with the Big Ten, what he meant was, Nebraska has been called out.
I don't know for sure. I wasn't in the room. But I've talked to people who know what they're talking about. And this is about Nebraska.
This isn't about Missouri. Nobody cares about Missouri. Stay, go, drop football, get mad all over again that the Insight Bowl invited Iowa State. Doesn't matter.
If only Missouri leaves the Big 12, the league is fine. Heck, the league thrives. TV revenues wouldn't go down, plus there's one less mouth to feed. Heck, the NCAA might even give the Big 12 a waiver and let it keep the football championship game.
This is about Nebraska. Everybody cares about Nebraska. Nebraska helps make the league go. Without Nebraska, Texas' and Oklahoma's enthusiasm for the Big 12 wanes.
Which is why I believe Beebe gave Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman a deadline Friday. Stake your claim. Are you with the Big 12 or not? Are you staying or are you waffling?
I don't know if the deadline is next week or next year, though I've got to believe it's closer to the former.
But here's what's at stake. If Nebraska won't commit — and mere words won't do it; we're talking legally-binding document — then a big chunk of the Big 12 is out the door. Probably to the Pac-10, which apparently wants the Oklahoma schools, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Colorado.
"Finishing" it (Dodds' words) won't be easy. Leaving Kansas without an apparent landing place will cause political problems. Some think Congress might even stick its nose in the door.
But even if the road was cleared for the six to join the Pac-10, devilish details will emerge. Starting with, who's in charge of football officiating? I need not say more.
Football and basketball scheduling, leadership structure, bowl alliances. Those will be some long nights at the table.
I really believe the six would prefer to stick it out in this part of the country. I believe Dodds when he says Texas, which drives the boat, likes things just the way they are.
Wouldn't surprise me if all kinds of Oklahomans and Texans called Nebraskans, from football coaches to state politicians, saying don't turn your back on tradition and history and roots. Don't cash in the known and the revered for the unknown and riches.
But if Nebraska won't commit by the deadline, the Big 12 is finished.
Read more: http://www.newsok.com/is-nebraska-on-the-clock/article/3466077#ixzz0pvafx5Dq
DeLoss Dodds stood in a Kansas City hotel hallway this week and told the truth about conference realignment as only a straight-talking Texan can tell it.
"We didn't start this," said the Texas athletic director. "But if we need to finish it, we'll finish it."
I think Texas is ready to finish it, and here's how.
Nebraska has a deadline.
When Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe emerged from a presidents meeting Friday and talked about a "process" by which the league will decide how to sort the dalliances of some schools with the Big Ten, what he meant was, Nebraska has been called out.
I don't know for sure. I wasn't in the room. But I've talked to people who know what they're talking about. And this is about Nebraska.
This isn't about Missouri. Nobody cares about Missouri. Stay, go, drop football, get mad all over again that the Insight Bowl invited Iowa State. Doesn't matter.
If only Missouri leaves the Big 12, the league is fine. Heck, the league thrives. TV revenues wouldn't go down, plus there's one less mouth to feed. Heck, the NCAA might even give the Big 12 a waiver and let it keep the football championship game.
This is about Nebraska. Everybody cares about Nebraska. Nebraska helps make the league go. Without Nebraska, Texas' and Oklahoma's enthusiasm for the Big 12 wanes.
Which is why I believe Beebe gave Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman a deadline Friday. Stake your claim. Are you with the Big 12 or not? Are you staying or are you waffling?
I don't know if the deadline is next week or next year, though I've got to believe it's closer to the former.
But here's what's at stake. If Nebraska won't commit — and mere words won't do it; we're talking legally-binding document — then a big chunk of the Big 12 is out the door. Probably to the Pac-10, which apparently wants the Oklahoma schools, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Colorado.
"Finishing" it (Dodds' words) won't be easy. Leaving Kansas without an apparent landing place will cause political problems. Some think Congress might even stick its nose in the door.
But even if the road was cleared for the six to join the Pac-10, devilish details will emerge. Starting with, who's in charge of football officiating? I need not say more.
Football and basketball scheduling, leadership structure, bowl alliances. Those will be some long nights at the table.
I really believe the six would prefer to stick it out in this part of the country. I believe Dodds when he says Texas, which drives the boat, likes things just the way they are.
Wouldn't surprise me if all kinds of Oklahomans and Texans called Nebraskans, from football coaches to state politicians, saying don't turn your back on tradition and history and roots. Don't cash in the known and the revered for the unknown and riches.
But if Nebraska won't commit by the deadline, the Big 12 is finished.
Read more: http://www.newsok.com/is-nebraska-on-the-clock/article/3466077#ixzz0pvafx5Dq
Interesting statement Powers makes about Tech.
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I spoke briefly with UT President Bill Powers last night at a Texas Exes event in Midland. President Powers gave a dinner speech to our local group and touched on a number of different issues that he has been facing as UT president (10% rule, Cactus Cafe, Mack's salary, etc.). One of the issues that he briefly named early in his speech was "the Big XII TV contract" but he didn't go into any detail on that subject. Nevertheless, I was intrigued. I was hoping there would be a question and answer session, but there wasn't.
After dinner, I waited for a window of opportunity and went over and shook his hand and thanked him for the speech. After some small talk about the law school (I was a student there when he was a law prof), I asked the question I was dying to ask: "So, Big 10 or Pac 10?"
He laughed and then the first thing he said was "Well, we are NOT going to the Big 10." I was expecting a very lawyerly, equivocating answer, so I was pretty surprised at his very direct and succinct answer. He then went on to say he had no desire to be flying our softball team all over the upper reaches of the midwest. Then he dropped another bombshell "Whatever we do, we aren't leaving Tech behind". He then talked about how this issue is very much a hot button topic for him right now and it's what he was referring to by referencing the "Big XII TV contract negotiations" in his speech. He then got rather vague and said that he could see some sort of large "Western" alliance of schools forming in the future, but this isn't imminent and he's not sure what will happen. That was it, we only spoke for a total of about 2 or 3 minutes."
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I spoke briefly with UT President Bill Powers last night at a Texas Exes event in Midland. President Powers gave a dinner speech to our local group and touched on a number of different issues that he has been facing as UT president (10% rule, Cactus Cafe, Mack's salary, etc.). One of the issues that he briefly named early in his speech was "the Big XII TV contract" but he didn't go into any detail on that subject. Nevertheless, I was intrigued. I was hoping there would be a question and answer session, but there wasn't.
After dinner, I waited for a window of opportunity and went over and shook his hand and thanked him for the speech. After some small talk about the law school (I was a student there when he was a law prof), I asked the question I was dying to ask: "So, Big 10 or Pac 10?"
He laughed and then the first thing he said was "Well, we are NOT going to the Big 10." I was expecting a very lawyerly, equivocating answer, so I was pretty surprised at his very direct and succinct answer. He then went on to say he had no desire to be flying our softball team all over the upper reaches of the midwest. Then he dropped another bombshell "Whatever we do, we aren't leaving Tech behind". He then talked about how this issue is very much a hot button topic for him right now and it's what he was referring to by referencing the "Big XII TV contract negotiations" in his speech. He then got rather vague and said that he could see some sort of large "Western" alliance of schools forming in the future, but this isn't imminent and he's not sure what will happen. That was it, we only spoke for a total of about 2 or 3 minutes."
