I might be a little bummed to fail to advance that often but the national title sure does keep it from getting too depressing.
Kansas up 1 at haltime at Texas Tech
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Threatened? No, just here to talk basketball with other basketball fans. There is nothing to be threatened by. It serves Kansas well to have ISU, Texas, K-State, etc... be a strong team capable of beating them. As far as this year? So long as they play hard in the tourney I am fine with whatever result. I don't mind seeing Kansas get beat by a team that simply plays better than them on a given day. There are a lot of good teams out there capable of winning games on any given day. KU isn't some super team that should roll through a tourney; they're talented but brutally inexperienced. The only losses that are disappointing are losses where you feel like they didn't leave it all out there. Those are a bummer. I would assume most fan bases want the same thing from the team they cheer for.
Any team that gets seeded #1 a lot is going to under-perform a lot more in the tournament than they over-perform. Historically, #1 seeds make it to the Final Four about 45% of the time.
In Bill Self's 10 years at KU, we have been a #1 seed 5 times, and won a total of 15 tournament games as a #1 seed. So on average, when KU is a #1 seed they make it to the Elite 8. Self has also taken KU all the way to the finals as a #2 seed in 2012, and to the Elite 8 as a #4 seed in 2004.
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It's called the Law of Constant Troll Dynamics.
Regardless of Hoiball's current rate of improvement there shall always exist a constant equal number of trolls from KU/Iowa/UNI.
The better we get the less we have in common with Iowa's zero NCAA appearances in a decade and thus those Iowa trolls become more rare. It doesn't decrease total number of trolls though because it means we're becoming closer to KU's level of play and Jayhawk trolls immediately fill any void left by obsolete Hawkeye trolls.
When we really were irrelevant in the McDermott years the troll level was still constant because we had no Jayhawk trolls, less Hawkeye trolls, but UNI trolls were prevalent when we struggled that badly.
The reality of the situation is that many Kansas message board users like to chat on the sport with other college basketball fans that participate in paying attention to the sport. When ISU sucked, barely any of their fans paid enough attention to their own team to regularly participate in sites such as this. Now that they are actually good, their fan base is paying attention to them and are actually around to have these conversations with.
Fan bases such as Duke, Carolina and Kentucky are always around and available and most KU message board users interact with them quite regularly. Locally, there are not many fan bases that support their team. K-State barely does but they are such a depressing bunch it is no fun at all. Mizzou did when their record was good but disappeared every year once they started to lose games and are no longer in the conference to talk common Big 12 topics with.
UNI probably just showed up on your boards for a bit because they don't have a big enough fan base to support their own stuff and because they had a brief moment in the sun where they felt relevant. I am sure they have faded away along with their team's luster.
KU people here isn't because you're doing better, it's because you're more available. The fact that you are more available comes from the fact that you are better and now supporting your own team in larger numbers.
You're last paragraph was nonsense so I deleted it, but other than that you just described the Law of Constant Troll Dynamics.
Part of the law is that Jayhawk, Hawkeye and UNI trolls don't know they're trolls. You think the annoying ISU fans on your boards define themselves as trolls?
It's a great thing that we don't have UNI trolls anymore, the Iowa trolls are becoming more rare, and we're gaining KU trolls...but the grand total of trolls is a constant level.
I define a troll as someone who is disingenuous. They say things they don't even really believe just to be inflammatory and stir ***** up. You apparently define a troll as anyone from an opposing fan base that disagrees with your point of view.
No, he simply defines a troll as anyone that is not an ISU fan, regardless of what they have to say. Territorial pi$$ings are normal from a portion of a fan base and are to be expected. "You're different, you don't belong here" is the rallying cry of the ignorant in every walk of life.
The vast majority of Kansas fans I know have tremendous respect for ISU's program and what Hoiberg is doing there, not to mention the tremendous support of their fan base. ISU is one of a small handful of programs nationally who can truly claim that they are having a real impact on the success of their team with their rabid support @Hilton. I would LOVE to see a game there. I do not believe that I have said much of anything to belittle the ISU program, players, coaches, etc... I simply disagree with some points made by some of their fans on here. That's not being a troll.
What do you mean KSU fans were depressing? I'm sorta curious about it now because it almost sounds funny. Depressingly stupid, or depressing as in non stop attempts to predict their own demise.
I could tell you what happened to the UNI fans. Now that Iowa is "good" again most of them went back to being Iowa fans and stopped randomly jumping between UNI and Drake fans based on which one was better. Sorta like what Nebraska fans do wit Creighton and I guess it's something Kansas State fans could do with Wichita State if they ever get to the point where they would need to do so.
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B) depressing as in non stop attempts to predict their own demise. Every conversation spiraled downward into this ugly pile of frustration. They have had a lot of excellent coaches come and go from their program and seem frustrated that they can't break through to the next level of consistent results.
Nebraska/Creighton fans are funny. I think that most of the Creighton fans that attend games aren't really basketball fans; they just like to attend the games and make a fun night out of going out to dinner, socializing at the games and hitting the bars afterwards. It's an event; not a religion. The games I have attended have been bizarre, seeing huge numbers of people gathered in the concourses, drinking and socializing. The crowds during the game can best be described as quiet. The sheer number of them (18,000+) creates noise when something happens but the crowd as a whole isn't much of a force.
Most of the true basketball fans in Nebraska seem to be hoping and praying that Nebraska will field a good team. The new arena has been filled well and the support is swelling. Bottom line, this is a Husker town. It will interesting to see what Omaha looks like from a basketball fan perspective once McDermott graduates and the Creighton waves lulls.
If you're a Jayhawk fan who thinks the game in Ames last year was a legitimate KU win then you're something worse than a troll anyway. Most of the KU fans on this board fit that, there was one guy a few weeks ago who was very rational and agreed with the national media and Big 12 that the game was blown by the officials and ISU should have won the game.
We don't like you because of stuff like the dead ball 3 and the game in Ames last year. It really has little to do with your fans and players. I actually really like Self as a coach. Until we see someone score on Kansas during the halftime show or horrible calls in the final 3 seconds give Kansas an undeserved loss we're going to have a STFU attitude with any KU fan who is less than gracious on here.
I will agree with you that the no call on the charge by Johnson was a bad call. But I will never say that the results should have been differently. There were other bad calls made during the game that changed the game just as much. To only change the probable results for ONE of them is shameless biased fandom. As I have stated before, the obvious bad call on the charge by Withey that was clearly a block wiped a basket off the scoreboard and a trip to the line for a free throw. You can't scream that the results should be different if just one of the multiple bad calls was changed.
You still don't get it, the no call wasn't even the bad call. If they made a mistake and called it a no call instead of a charge ISU would have still won the game. It's also rich that you think the calls overall evened out...one of your star players tried to foul out intentionally and the KU zebras wouldn't let him!
Oh, you mean when Niang hacked Johnson across both arms as Johnson tried to pass the ball out to the perimeter from the floor? Is that the "bad call"?
You're a troll because you don't think KU has ever won a game by benefitting from bogus calls. It doesn't always even out, that's idiotic.
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A troll is never going to leave if you keep responding to them and giving the responses they're looking for. Just ignore him and he will go away.
