I don't disagree mike....and statistically you are right...it might just be the labeling of "overrated" in the context of JUST the NCAA tournament where unless you are a number 1 seed who wins....you are going to be "upset" at some point. Obviously I know KUs losses were not of that variety....just using that as an example.
Kansas up 1 at haltime at Texas Tech
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and to that I disagree too. There is always a published S-curve and a clearly stated overall #1 seed. So if you are the 4th Number 1 seed and you win it all, you over achieve. Its all very easy to understand when you break it down to what round they bow out and what round they were expected to bow out. So even most number 1 seeds can still over achieve. Doesn't run into this "can't over achieve" problem in the last 10 years.
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Faulty rebuttal, but still ISU is playing up to their high seed (the 2 seeds) 50% of the time upper seed 6 or above 66% of the time and overall about 94% of the time. In additon ISU has outperfomed by more than a round 3 times as the LOWER seed. as in not expected to win. KU over the last 10 or 15 years again not so much. Again flat out wrong and ignoring the facts.
How can it be easier to beat a team that is ranked higher than you than it is for a 1 to beat a 16, and 8 and a 4. Your logic makes no sense in Kansas. Dumbest statement in this thread by far.
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Ehhh...I guess.....but again....it's context. KU typically has a high seed, while ISU historically has had a pretty low seed, couple that with how many more appearances KU has made.....they are bound to have more "upsets" than we are.
i don't think either are an indication that KU is overrated per se, or that we have performed beyond our seed.
Again more apearances has zero bearing on the conversation. Its the trend of more often than not playing as deep as they were expected to and the rate.
For an analogy - You realize that ISU shoots and makes many more three pointers than most teams in the country. That doesn't make them good a good three point shooting team this year. They are shooting something like 30% and worst in the Big XII. Yet without looking it up I bet they are up there if not leading the conference in made 3 pt shots. Neither has anything to do with the other when talking about averages.
Wow, you're kind of amazing. It's not easier for a 9 to beat an 8 compared to a 1/16, but it's much harder to string together wins in a single elimination tournament. So if you are a 1 seed you have to win 4 games in a row and every time you win, you play a team that has done the same thing. Usually a hot team.
In the last 6 years KU has actually exceeded their seed by 2 games two different times. That's a lot harder than it sounds. ISU has never exceeded their seed by 2 games. Plus KU has reached or exceeded their seed 50% of the time over the last 6 years. During that same time, UNI is the only team KU lost to that didn't end up in the Championship game. Please give me one example of a team that has several high seeds that hasn't underachieved. The closest I could think would have to be Duke because his Elite 8 record is crazy good, but even Duke has underachieved the last 3 years in a row, including losing first round as a 2 seed.
After saying all this, I will bet that KU will not reach their seed this year because of their point guard play.
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Kansas got beat by a huge meltdown and a leaning 30 foot three at the buzzer to go to OT by the team that played for the national title. Burke front rims that shot and we aren't having this conversation... You're trying too hard to make a silly case.
Do they hang banners for slightly overachieving a crummy seed? Because they do hang them for Final Fours...
But you seem to be the only person hung up obsessing over this whole "under/overperforming determination. If you are looking for a trend that helps you select teams for your bracket then go for it. Otherwise this couldn't be more of a meaningless conversation. Your sorry attempts to try to tie together these huge leaps of logic together are comical, especially from someone preaching about stats classes and scholastic knowledge.
Thank you for making my point. Duke fails to play to their seed more than any team in recent history.
'12: lost as a #2 to a #15 seed in the round of 64 (joined ISU and Mizzou as the only ones ever)
'11: lost as a #1 in the Sweet Sixteen
'09: lost as a #2 in the Sweet Sixteen
'08: lost as a #2 seed in the round of 32
'07: lost as a #6 seed in the round of 64
'06: lost as a #1 seed in the Sweet Sixteen
'05: lost as a #1 seed int he Sweet Sixteen
That would be 7 of the last 9 years if my math is correct. But I am a decade removed from my last stats class, so I'll have to defer to the resident "expert."
And as I've said duke is one of the few teams that is more consistently over-rated that KU. so it's diffeent when duke's data proves my point?
here we go. more chest thumping to deflect the facts. No. they don't. Hail to the almight cansass. way to dodge the topic at hand. No one said ISU had a better history, just under-rated consistently, and KU the opposite. But yet another fantastic deflection with dooshy chest thumping.
Or maybe its just common knowledge that KU is more often Over-rated than the other way around.
I would be fine with ISU underachieving 7 out of 9 years if we won a national championship one of the other years.
I think it is cute that these kansans feel so threatened that they come here to troll.
It is sad, ku is the protected class of the conference in basketball, but ut is the school, so they will let ut beat them.
Be interesting to see if they can avoid the upset in the tourney this year, odds are not good. And as much as I usually root of conference schools, these ******** have made me hope ku goes out in the first round.
elbows already breaking down, not good for his future. You have to think that makes it even more likely that he will take the cash as a top 3 pick.
It is sad, ku is the protected class of the conference in basketball, but ut is the school, so they will let ut beat them.
Be interesting to see if they can avoid the upset in the tourney this year, odds are not good. And as much as I usually root of conference schools, these ******** have made me hope ku goes out in the first round.
elbows already breaking down, not good for his future. You have to think that makes it even more likely that he will take the cash as a top 3 pick.
Look, I assume you know what I am about to say and are just rattling the cage for the fun of it but here it goes; rankings and seedings are not a 1-68 list of who is the better team with the better abilities to win games. Team #4 on the list is not there to represent that they should beat teams 5-68 and lose to teams 1-3. They are a reflection of the resume and accomplishments of the teams to date; not a predictor of who is the best team moving forward. If Iowa State's blowout loss to West Virginia dropped them 6 spots in the poll and one slot on a seed line, does it mean that Iowa State is suddenly worse than the teams that rose above them? NO, obviously not. You get as good a seed as you can and then you go in and roll the dice. As I said, I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you understand this and are just being "that guy."
