JUCO QB #1 Priority

Palmer

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We could bring in any top flight QB and would not matter. This ship is a bumbling, rudderless mess and will only take down QB's with it.
 

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Sorry, but I'm not. You're missing the obvious.

Two questions for you.

Why in the world would Rhoads continue to make weekly QB changes if he felt either of them were the answer. You surely understand this program would be miles ahead if he felt confident in an underclassman QB.

Why do Richardson and Rohach continue to miss wide open receivers with no pressure and make poor decisions... a fact that has been pointed out numerous times this season by Messingham and Rhoads.

You must have more knowledge and insight than the head coach and OC.

I guess my take on this would be one more question.

Why does this staff continue to recruit quarterbacks who can't get the job done. When there are more capable QBs playing at lesser schools? (by lesser, I mean by division. FCS, etc.)

Evaluation of talent is a big part of coaching. If they keep getting kids who can't play, it still doesn't fall completely on the kids. This staff has a pretty good string going of QBs who's best game is their first game, then from then on out, things go to ****. This is college, not the NFL, sometimes you have to develop a QB and teach him. We don't seem to be able to do that. It's not always a matter of playing time will equal better QB play, yet I wonder if that's what this staff thinks it takes to make the QBs better.

Again though, I wish it were just the QBs. Honestly, the QB defenders are right in saying, "QBs are going to miss throws, sometimes you need a receiver to make a big play. Sometimes you need the line to block and ours doesn't do that on a consistent basis. This is actually a big thing. Weather the line blocks or not, doesn't matter at this point. Sams 3 second clock is probably buzzing at about 1.5 seconds now. So he is hurrying his drops and his throws in an attempt to get the pass off before being hurried. When in fact, the consistency of bad line play has led him to hurry every throw, weather he needs to or not. Again, this is a coaching issue.

In the end though, no one is wrong and that's the problem with our offense. It just isn't working right now and it's not one guys fault. It's not coached well, it's not blocked well, it's not rushed well, it's not QB'd well and it's not caught well either. Other than Wimberly when we was healthy, I really can't think of anyone who stood out to me as doing an exceptional job on this offense. It's all been mediocre to poor at every spot.
 

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Sorry, but I'm not. You're missing the obvious.

Two questions for you.

Why in the world would Rhoads continue to make weekly QB changes if he felt either of them were the answer. You surely understand this program would be miles ahead if he felt confident in an underclassman QB.

Why do Richardson and Rohach continue to miss wide open receivers with no pressure and make poor decisions... a fact that has been pointed out numerous times this season by Messingham and Rhoads.

You must have more knowledge and insight than the head coach and OC.

You would have to ask Rhoads why he keeps flip flopping back and forth between them. I honestly don't know why he hasn't sat Richardson for a week and just let Rohach take an entire game. Sam has a laundry list of nagging injuries and the season clearly isn't getting any better. Putting Grant in when we're down is a good way to get him some experience. We're not down in these games because Sam Richardson is god awful and can't get the job done. Our entire team is terrible at this point and confidence flew out the window weeks ago. That lack of confidence clearly has a major effect on everybody.

Richardson and Rohach have missed some receivers and made some bad decisions just like any QB does at times but not nearly to the extent that you seem to think. I can't effectively answer your question because I don't agree at all with the way you're putting it. One thing I can say as a POSSIBILITY at this point is confidence. When you've run for your life and gotten the **** beat out of you all year, not unlikely to get happy feet and rush things a bit.

What Messingham thinks means absolutely nothing to me because he has no business being a Big 12 offensive coordinator. If Rhoads still thinks Mess is the answer after this season, I will seriously doubt Paul as a head coach. Please don't try to put words in my mouth because I'm not saying FIRE RHOADS by any means. I just worry that he might be incapable of making the tough decisions regarding his staff. Firing anybody, especially a friend, would not be fun but that's his job.
 
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I guess my take on this would be one more question.

Why does this staff continue to recruit quarterbacks who can't get the job done. When there are more capable QBs playing at lesser schools? (by lesser, I mean by division. FCS, etc.)

Evaluation of talent is a big part of coaching. If they keep getting kids who can't play, it still doesn't fall completely on the kids. This staff has a pretty good string going of QBs who's best game is their first game, then from then on out, things go to ****. This is college, not the NFL, sometimes you have to develop a QB and teach him. We don't seem to be able to do that. It's not always a matter of playing time will equal better QB play, yet I wonder if that's what this staff thinks it takes to make the QBs better.

Again though, I wish it were just the QBs. Honestly, the QB defenders are right in saying, "QBs are going to miss throws, sometimes you need a receiver to make a big play. Sometimes you need the line to block and ours doesn't do that on a consistent basis. This is actually a big thing. Weather the line blocks or not, doesn't matter at this point. Sams 3 second clock is probably buzzing at about 1.5 seconds now. So he is hurrying his drops and his throws in an attempt to get the pass off before being hurried. When in fact, the consistency of bad line play has led him to hurry every throw, weather he needs to or not. Again, this is a coaching issue.

In the end though, no one is wrong and that's the problem with our offense. It just isn't working right now and it's not one guys fault. It's not coached well, it's not blocked well, it's not rushed well, it's not QB'd well and it's not caught well either. Other than Wimberly when we was healthy, I really can't think of anyone who stood out to me as doing an exceptional job on this offense. It's all been mediocre to poor at every spot.

Great post. For whatever reason, this current coaching regime simply can't identify and/or develop a QB that can get us over the hump in this conference. Seems pretty obvious to me that Rhoads needs to hire an established OC... at whatever level... and turn the reins over to him. A complete overhaul of this offense is desperately needed.
 

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You would have to ask Rhoads why he keeps flip flopping back and forth between them. I honestly don't know why he hasn't sat Richardson for a week and just let Rohach take an entire game. Sam has a laundry list of nagging injuries and the season clearly isn't getting any better. Putting Grant in when we're down is a good way to get him some experience. We're not down in these games because Sam Richardson is god awful and can't get the job done. Our entire team is terrible at this point and confidence flew out the window weeks ago. That lack of confidence clearly has a major effect on everybody.

Richardson and Rohach have missed some receivers and made some bad decisions just like any QB does at times but not nearly to the extent that you seem to think. I can't effectively answer your question because I don't agree at all with the way you're putting it. One thing I can say as a POSSIBILITY at this point is confidence. When you've run for your life and gotten the **** beat out of you all year, not unlikely to get happy feet and rush things a bit. What Messingham thinks means absolutely nothing to me because he has no business being a Big 12 offensive coordinator. If Rhoads still thinks Mess is the answer after this season, I will seriously doubt Paul as a head coach. Don't try to put words in my mouth because I'm not saying FIRE RHOADS

That's what I thought. You can't answer the questions because you're wrong. Rhoads and staff have doubts with either option. That is clear. If they felt otherwise, and placed all or most of the blame on the line, injuries, receivers, whatever, they would not make a change with the singular most important position on the offense.
 

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I guess my take on this would be one more question.

Why does this staff continue to recruit quarterbacks who can't get the job done. When there are more capable QBs playing at lesser schools? (by lesser, I mean by division. FCS, etc.)

Evaluation of talent is a big part of coaching. If they keep getting kids who can't play, it still doesn't fall completely on the kids. This staff has a pretty good string going of QBs who's best game is their first game, then from then on out, things go to ****. This is college, not the NFL, sometimes you have to develop a QB and teach him. We don't seem to be able to do that. It's not always a matter of playing time will equal better QB play, yet I wonder if that's what this staff thinks it takes to make the QBs better.

Again though, I wish it were just the QBs. Honestly, the QB defenders are right in saying, "QBs are going to miss throws, sometimes you need a receiver to make a big play. Sometimes you need the line to block and ours doesn't do that on a consistent basis. This is actually a big thing. Weather the line blocks or not, doesn't matter at this point. Sams 3 second clock is probably buzzing at about 1.5 seconds now. So he is hurrying his drops and his throws in an attempt to get the pass off before being hurried. When in fact, the consistency of bad line play has led him to hurry every throw, weather he needs to or not. Again, this is a coaching issue.

In the end though, no one is wrong and that's the problem with our offense. It just isn't working right now and it's not one guys fault. It's not coached well, it's not blocked well, it's not rushed well, it's not QB'd well and it's not caught well either. Other than Wimberly when we was healthy, I really can't think of anyone who stood out to me as doing an exceptional job on this offense. It's all been mediocre to poor at every spot.

This is another question I can't answer because I don't agree whatsoever with what you're asking. I believe we have 2 QBs who can be successful at this level with the right system in place. A competent offensive staff would make them look a hell of a lot better.
 

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That's what I thought. You can't answer the questions because you're wrong. Rhoads and staff have doubts with either option. That is clear. If they felt otherwise, and placed all or most of the blame on the line, injuries, receivers, whatever, they would not make a change with the singular most important position on the offense.

So what do you think the answer is then? Do you actually think that our offense is as bad as it is solely because of our QBs?
 

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Quick, send your resume to Rhoads. He'll probably hire you on the spot if you print off your comments and convince him that he has no idea what he's doing. How delusional are you?


his handling of the offense sure makes it look like CPR has no freaking clue.
 

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his handling of the offense sure makes it look like CPR has no freaking clue.

Come on man what are you doing!?!?!?! We're not allowed to question the coaches here. The guys who get paid big bucks are not the ones who should be held responsible. No we should throw the players under the bus. That makes way more sense.
 

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Quick, post another immature smart assed comment to try and make me look stupid. I'm not delusional at all. You said you understand the game yet you can't admit that our QBs are not the only problem with our offense. You're the delusional one here.

You keep preaching that you know more than this coaching staff. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds? I'm pointing out a simple fact that they don't have confidence with the QB... hence the ongoing QB carousel and their numerous comments all season long. Is the QB the only problem? Of course not. Any moron can see that. I do think it's at least equally responsible for what's happened this year. It starts with that position. Until he finds the solution, we'll continue to struggle like we have since he was hired.
 

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In the end though, no one is wrong and that's the problem with our offense. It just isn't working right now and it's not one guys fault. It's not coached well, it's not blocked well, it's not rushed well, it's not QB'd well and it's not caught well either. Other than Wimberly when we was healthy, I really can't think of anyone who stood out to me as doing an exceptional job on this offense. It's all been mediocre to poor at every spot.

One of the best posts I've read on this site yet. I get fired up and defensive about the QBs because I'm beyond sick and tired of people actually trying to put the blame on their shoulders. It's an entire offense issue and that comes down to coaching. Whether it's recruiting, development, gameplan or any number of other things, Rhoads has to do what needs to be done to get this right.
 

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You keep preaching that you know more than this coaching staff.

Putting words in my mouth doesn't make you right. Never once said I know more than this coaching staff. It is my opinion that Courtney Messingham is in over his head which is an opinion many others share but I guess we're all just delusional and ridiculous.
 

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It starts with that position. Until he finds the solution, we'll continue to struggle like we have since he was hired.

Obviously you have to have a guy behind center who can get the job done but games are won and lost in the trenches. Starts with the line imo.
 

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Putting words in my mouth doesn't make you right. Never once said I know more than this coaching staff. It is my opinion that Courtney Messingham is in over his head which is an opinion many others share but I guess we're all just delusional and ridiculous.

Lol.

You would have to ask Rhoads why he keeps flip flopping back and forth between them. I honestly don't know why he hasn't sat Richardson for a week and just let Rohach take an entire game. Sam has a laundry list of nagging injuries and the season clearly isn't getting any better. Putting Grant in when we're down is a good way to get him some experience. We're not down in these games because Sam Richardson is god awful and can't get the job done.

What Messingham thinks means absolutely nothing to me because he has no business being a Big 12 offensive coordinator. If Rhoads still thinks Mess is the answer after this season, I will seriously doubt Paul as a head coach.
 

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I see a lot of people baggin on receivers on this thread, but more and more I am thinking this is a scheme thing more than the receivers' fault. It is nearly impossible for 2 receivers to get open against 7 men in coverage... and even tougher for 3 to get open when two of them are running routes right on top of each other.
 

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Lol.

You would have to ask Rhoads why he keeps flip flopping back and forth between them. I honestly don't know why he hasn't sat Richardson for a week and just let Rohach take an entire game. Sam has a laundry list of nagging injuries and the season clearly isn't getting any better. Putting Grant in when we're down is a good way to get him some experience. We're not down in these games because Sam Richardson is god awful and can't get the job done.

What Messingham thinks means absolutely nothing to me because he has no business being a Big 12 offensive coordinator. If Rhoads still thinks Mess is the answer after this season, I will seriously doubt Paul as a head coach.

Still don't see where I said I know more than Paul Rhoads. Having doubts and questioning things is not the same as claiming to know more. I'm as big of an Iowa State/Paul Rhoads fan as anybody but that doesn't mean I blindly agree with everything our coaches do and say. Support and blind faith are not the same thing. I don't think Messingham is a good coordinator and I guarantee there are plenty of people we could bring in that will do a much better job than him. If and I'm saying IF CPR doesn't see that and make a change after this season, I will have doubts about him as a head coach. If he keeps Mess around and our offense improves significantly next season, I will be the first to admit that I was wrong.
 

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I also want to add that I never ever thought I'd question CPR as a head coach because I honestly think he's our best shot at getting to the level we've never been to. Just not sure he can put loyalty aside when necessary and make changes when they need to be made. Definitely don't feel good about the doubts I'm having and I hope like hell I'm wrong.
 

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I also want to add that I never ever thought I'd question CPR as a head coach because I honestly think he's our best shot at getting to the level we've never been to. Just not sure he can put loyalty aside when necessary and make changes when they need to be made. Definitely don't feel good about the doubts I'm having and I hope like hell I'm wrong.

Buck stops with CPR.

We are 1-11 in the last twelve games. You should not feel bad about your doubts at all.
 

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That's what I thought. You can't answer the questions because you're wrong. Rhoads and staff have doubts with either option. That is clear. If they felt otherwise, and placed all or most of the blame on the line, injuries, receivers, whatever, they would not make a change with the singular most important position on the offense.

So, Sam lost only 1 football game in his high school career, in highly competitive Florida, was Player of the Year in that area of the state, and now you say he's horrible. Errrrnt. Incorrect.
 

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