I think you switch #3 and #4 and you nailed it. The defense has so many more holes to plug, especially on the line.
JUCO QB #1 Priority
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I think you switch #3 and #4 and you nailed it. The defense has so many more holes to plug, especially on the line.
If you watched the game this weekend (and all season), I have no idea how someone can say our "QBs are not the problem". No idea. Both QBs could not make basic throws that a high school quarterback should make. Accuracy has been a HUGE problem this year.
They em may not be the biggest issue (although I think it's right up there), but they are certainly part of the problem.
QB'S are definitely an issue (one of many) at this time. There is no question that they haven't been helped out by the OL and their injuries, but they missed elementary throws yesterday. All game. The INT by Sam was a very easy throw that he sailed. Daley had a likely TD on an easy slant route that Grant missed behind him. There was single coverage outside most of the game and they didn't check off to it. How many times yesterday did Waters just throw a fade and let his WR make a play? Yet we didn't do that once.
Bundrage had his guy beat inside on a post twice in the first qtr and we Sam didn't get him the ball either time. Bundrage has shown enough this year to where our QB's have to trust him.
With all that said, I'm not writing either QB off. They are young, shaken up, and not put in great spots. I would still like to go find the best JUCO QB available just to see what you got for 2014. We will have the best group of WR's in our history but you gotta have somebody that can make some throws.
Bundrage had his guy beat inside on a post twice in the first qtr and we Sam didn't get him the ball either time. Bundrage has shown enough this year to where our QB's have to trust him.
With all that said, I'm not writing either QB off. They are young, shaken up, and not put in great spots. I would still like to go find the best JUCO QB available just to see what you got for 2014. We will have the best group of WR's in our history but you gotta have somebody that can make some throws.
I think Sam needs to trust his line more. I understand he is pressured a lot but he gets happy feet right away and makes bad throws. Could be mechanics, could be his ability but either way if he hangs in and learns to make his reads quicker he can succeed. The receivers also have to start hanging on to the ball, hell the whole team, offense and defense needs to go through a week of catching, catching and more catching. I have never seen so many dropped balls in a season and last year was pretty bad.
Point number one: You're absolutely right, but I would add that it wasn't just all game, it's been all season.
Point number two: I'm with you on this one again, however, there is no doubt there are issues at the QB position that need tweaking, one way or another.
One of our guys is a RS Soph., the other is a RS Freshman. How can people write them off given the horrible handling and coaching they have received and given the fact that they are trying to run a tossed salad "system" that nobody recognizes. Give them a decent scheme, a little confidence and a decent line and then let's critique them.
There are reasons for this "regression" you speak of outside of the coach himself.
Changing coaches from Herman to Mess. Mess has only had 1 year, and Richardson has looked good when healthy, protected and confident.
Realize that Iowa state has not recruited to the level that young, inexperienced guys can come in and make an immediate big time impact. The current ceiling for our program is around 9 wins when we are healthy, experienced, talented, and have great leaders.
Right now we have some talent, no leadership, lots of injuries, and no confidence. The result is a perfect storm into this awful season.
The 2012 cyclones would win 8-9 games with the 2013 schedule. Same coaching staff.
Right now we have some talent, no leadership, lots of injuries, and no confidence. The result is a perfect storm into this awful season.
The 2012 cyclones would win 8-9 games with the 2013 schedule. Same coaching staff.
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Meh, that's being a bit generous IMO. He definitely looks better when healthy because he does have a knack for escaping the heat at times, and he can bust one for big yardage at any given moment. But both of those things allude to his wheels, not his arm. We've got some big time WRs lining up for the next few years, which should be the strength of our offense...unless we don't have a QB that can fling the ball down field and get in these guys' hands. Not saying SR can't do that, but the doubt is becoming harder and harder to ignore when I see him miss some easy targets.
Pretty much agree with you all the way around here. It does seem to me that the 8-9 win seasons will only happen on rare occasion, when we are heavily weighted with upperclassmen. Along with that we'd most likely be fairly experienced, with some good leadership. Overall team health would be extremely advantageous, as you alluded to.
No, what the team needs is someone who can coach and develop QBs. So far, Messingham's track record is not good at all.
What is his track record? Richardson went from "not ready" at the beginning of 2012 to the 5th leading passer in the big 12 ypg as of last week. And hes spent most of the season behind a young banged up o line and injured himself.
And he's still just a sophomore
I'd have to put "Get Healthy" at #1. And I had to chuckle at whoever said that there was no depth on the offensive line. We've played our 3rd string center and left tackle now, and second stringers at every other spot...
In 2009, the only injury on the OL was at the very end of the year, when senior walkon Sean Smith(?) stepped into a starting role. Six deep was all the line went then.
Sure, there are other things wrong. But how do you judge a players performance when they've had the bejeebus beaten out of them all year?
Edit: I'm guessing lots of you are too young to remember Archie Manning, and what he looked like when with the New Orleans Saints...
In 2009, the only injury on the OL was at the very end of the year, when senior walkon Sean Smith(?) stepped into a starting role. Six deep was all the line went then.
Sure, there are other things wrong. But how do you judge a players performance when they've had the bejeebus beaten out of them all year?
Edit: I'm guessing lots of you are too young to remember Archie Manning, and what he looked like when with the New Orleans Saints...
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With this morning's news, Rhoads obviously disagrees. You might want to call him and tell him he's making a mistake based on your insight. Seems pretty clear to me that he has serious doubts that either is the long term option.
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A confident and mostly healthy SR carved up Texas' defense for most of that game. The rotating MASH unit offensive line and running backs have shattered SRs confidence. Even if he was 100% healthy it's hard to get over that mentally.
They are starting Grant to try and get a spark.
They are starting Grant to try and get a spark.
That's ignorant. There are plenty of QB's around the country that can perform at the level of either Rohach or Richardson. This position is a big problem right now. At the very least, there should be some competition next year with both of them. Rhoads obviously agrees. But, I'm sure you know more than him. You might want to update your resume and send it in to Pollard.
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Ok, I will be the one to respond to this softball post for some sarchasm that adds nothing to the thread. Dude is 57, yes it would be ugly
