this is true.
Very fickle fan base.... only when they're good is when closet sqawk fans come out and opening their mouths when they are decent in hoops. What a terrible fan base.
ISU vs. Iowa dominance (for Clones21)
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this is true.
Very fickle fan base.... only when they're good is when closet sqawk fans come out and opening their mouths when they are decent in hoops. What a terrible fan base.
uh, weird... why did my post come up 3 times?
Better than 9 times missing school in Ferris Bueller:
9 Times
Better than 9 times missing school in Ferris Bueller:
9 Times
awesome...a potential battle between you and Clone21.....an epic struggle of the Cyclone Fanatic twits.
*getting popcorn*
Having some issues. I'm sorry to hear that. I have a cousin who has that problem too.
Short of Kinnick vs. Jack Trice, where is the facilities "gap?' Surely you aren't insinuating Carver is better than Hilton.
Isn't everyone always crowing about the ISU indoor basketball practice facility and indoor football facility over here? Isn't Iowa trying to catch up in that area?
You could probably make the argument that overall the past 5 years ISU has had a facilities edge.
And ISU has a competent AD.
I can't imagine JP being OK with the success of (or lack there of) some of Iowa's programs. Volleyball should be FAR ahead of where it is. If UNI and ISU can be annual tournament teams, Iowa should be able to compete as well. Not to mention, Iowa plays in one of the strongest volleyball conferences.
Baseball has been mediocre for quite some time, and their facilities are located in the football bubble. Duane Banks Field is a dump, and Jack Dahm is a horrible game-day coach.
Barta was also responsible for the Lick hire, although I'll give him props for fixing that mistake before it completely wrecked the program.
I guess my biggest complaints are with volleyball, baseball, and cross country. The other programs are at least respectable (with soccer and mens golf doing pretty darn well now, actually), and field hockey is a force as usual.
So what you are saying is Iowa wastes a lot of money. There is no reason for Iowa not be good in Baseball either.
I think Lick did a good job at wrecking the program.
Exactly. Much bigger budget, ISU is quickly getting better facilities across the board. We are doing more with less. Once the new sports complex is done, I don't think you can argue Iowa having better facilities anywhere except for Kinnick and ISU is pushing JT to a comparable status.
CycloneErik
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It does. We need to bowl it in and put in a new press box. That is probably going to be a good 80 million. I think when we get to that point we will be comparable. You could argue one better than the other because one has more seats or the other has a bigger score board, but in the sense of being a legit BCS stadium they will be equals.
Exactly where I was trying to go with this.
The difference between CPR and KF is ~3million.
Not sure the diff between Hoiberg and McCaffery, but it's not 27million.
So if it isn't going into facilities, where does it go?
I think this implies that, 1, ISU's AD is run more efficiently, but also 2, i don't think there is a linear relationship between budget and success.
Doubling ISU's budget would no doubt be a big help, but it also produces more chances/areas for waste and/or mismanagement.
Money isn't a cure all.
Couldn't some be attributed to different operational costs? You only mention coaches' salaries here. I don't expect operations to eat up ~$27M, but it could definitely account for some of the difference. When you have to transport and feed that many bodies (regardless of sport), small per-person expense differences add up to real money.
My GUESS is that Iowa has a more athletic teams to pay for than ISU does. This is just my guess. And surely it doesn't account for all the money, but it's got to be part of it. Baseball alone has to eat up a good chunk of that money.
Probably. But why should they be different?
I think what you're saying is maybe Iowa stays in a nicer hotel, or eats a nicer meal just because they can. Because they have the money too?
I don't know if that's true or not, but that speaks to my point about how sometimes more money isn't always a great thing. Just more ways to waste it.
Easier to be disciplined when you're living paycheck to paycheck than when you have a seemingly endless flow.
You're right. 6 more sports. 4 men's and 2 women's.
Men's gymnastics, swimming/diving, baseball and tennis.
Women's field hockey and rowing.
Would be interesting to see how much that eats up.
