INSIDER: What I know about Rasir Bolton waiver timeline

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I did a best case/worst case forecast for the team last year...

https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/threads/found-this-mbb-prediction-on-yahoo.238783/#post-6180061

...on June 8 after the roster was set. Why not do the same thing again?

Notice that we were closer to the best case scenario for last year and brought home a trophy for the case from Kansas City, even if we had our struggles last year, too.

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BEST CASE

Haliburton -- immediately feels like a senior Monté Morris in taking ownership of the team on offense and Naz Mitrou-Long for leading the team on and off the court, seamlessly transitions from complementary guy into THE guy, competes to lead the team in scoring and keeps up his ATR and efficiency numbers despite much higher usage, makes everybody around him better, ends up first-team all-Big 12 and competes for CPOTY, rides off into the sunset as a lottery pick to be an NBA PG, we are sad to see him go but really proud and happy for him

Nixon -- he is not the volume scorer or shooter that Marial Shayok was, but he is better on defense despite his small size, good at neutralizing an opponents' best scoring guard either through physical ability, a tough attitude, meanness, or head games, and knows how to pick his spots on offense and let Haliburton set him up, becomes a fan favorite as a throwback to a Larry sort of tough guy, even if his numbers are not the flashiest ones on the team

Bolton -- basically what we expected out of Wigginton or Horton-Tucker for this season in leading the team in scoring, a "good chucker" like Marial turned into an efficient player on offense with an excellent PG around to set him up and handle the ball for him and to get him good shots, his high FT% translates into a high % taking open threes to space the floor, and gives us just enough on defense to be serviceable... ending up something like second-team or third-team all-Big 12 and we are definitely looking forward to the next two years with him featured

Jacobson -- he shakes the inconsistency out of his game from last year, playing like he did early in the season (against some over-matched opponents, to be fair) and in Kansas City the entire season, becoming a versatile big man who has some very good back-to-the-basket moves, good vision and passing, a serviceable outside shot, and toughness on the block and on the boards despite his slightly less than ideal size against high-major competition... ends up competing for leading the team in scoring, second-team or third-team all-Big 12

Young -- comes back 100% healthy, is that missing piece of that brawler on the block that we missed last year against some of the bigger, stronger posts that we faced (such as Kaleb Wesson from Ohio State), but has added a number of skilled plays to his game with more post moves on the block, a serviceable outside shot, and more ability to guard away from the basket... his defensive positioning and boxing out will still be there, making him and Jacobson relatively interchangeable, with Solomon the stronger defensive option, giving us options, flexibility, and depth at the 4-5 position in a way we have not had in a long time

Conditt -- has a breakout year the same way Haliburton did last year, growing fully to 7'0" and learning to use all of it on offense and defense, develops a chemistry with Haliburton on offense... lots of lobs in Hilton... and blocking shots left-and-right on defense without totally selling himself out on position, having enough bulk and strength to hang down there now... earns a starting spot and develops a nice inside-out game with Jacobson, looking forward to having him (maybe only one?) the next season as a featured guy on both ends of the court

Lewis/Griffin -- one of them (or both, ideally) emerges as a 4* wing that we hoped we were getting when we recruited them, able to space the floor and play solid defense on positions 1-4, giving us a way to neutralize a Culver or Wade type on defense with a long, rangy, athletic guy able to guard them anywhere on the court... a good enough athlete and aggressive on offense, always serving as a threat on that end and in transition, and able maybe earn a starting spot or at least solid minutes as a sixth man... we need some 3&D guys, and they are them

Freshmen -- Jackson is too good to keep off the court, earns minutes as the first guard off the bench/a bench gunner, kind of like a young Naz or Tyrus McGee did... Grill grows into his body and picks up skills quickly, finds some skill or some defensive ability that also makes him too good to keep out of the game... Leech is a wild card, could turn out to be so athletic and dangerous on offense that you cannot keep him out, returning to a 4* or 5* form... Anderson has had the least press on here so far, but perhaps he proves a skilled big man who has some skill, such as court vision against a zone, that makes him impossible not to play

WORST CASE

Haliburton -- is kind of the guy from last year, but sees his efficiency numbers and ATR plummet because of his expanded role... NBA guys back off, thinking he needs some more seasoning and experience before being "the guy" in a high-major conference, and he is not quite able to take over the team like Melvin or Naz did in the past, but coming back for his junior year with reinforcements on the way, still brimming with confidence

Nixon -- basically all the bad things about him at Colorado State stay with him... chucks a lot of bad shots, proves too small to be a great defender in the Big 12, basically a guard version of Jeff Beverly where an undersized volume guy is unable to make the leap to being a viable contributor or starter at the Big 12 level given the difference in competition

Bolton -- not eligible

Jacobson -- basically the same guy from last year, where he could be brilliant in spurts and beating up on smaller posts from mid-major competition, but as soon as he runs into the bigger and stronger guys in the Big 12, he comes back down to Earth, and he never quite develops a reliable outside shot to help us space the floor and kick it up a level

Young -- either not healthy and/or has not shown much development from his freshman and sophomore seasons... still a big body who knows how to position himself on defense, box out, and clean up some trash on the boards, but he has no real skills or reliable shot besides those, which makes him useful but not the featured piece we need

Conditt -- again, basically the same guy from last year, where he does not quite know how to use his length and size yet, and he is too slow for guards/wings in the Big 12 and too lithe for some of the bulkier big men he is going to face next season... the potential is still there and he is still young, but he seems to still be a season away from really being ready

Lewis/Griffin -- are who they are... just not Big 12 players

Freshmen -- likely at least some of them are pressed into service before they are ready, and while they might show flashes, they should not yet be playing serious minutes for a competitive Big 12 team... Jackson and Grill have potential but are not ready, same with Anderson, and Leech maybe does not even make it through the season for some reason
 
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Does anybody know if Javan Johnson is eligible to play in Italy and planning to?

It's occurred to me that by delaying the application, Bolton might get to go to Italy since he has an active appeal pending whether it's approved or not.

Prohm said Rasir will play. Johnson could but probably won’t.
 

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I did a best case/worst case forecast for the team last year...

https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/threads/found-this-mbb-prediction-on-yahoo.238783/#post-6180061

...on June 8 after the roster was set. Why not do the same thing again?

Notice that we were closer to the best case scenario for last year and brought home a trophy for the case from Kansas City, even if we had our struggles last year, too.

* * *​

BEST CASE

Haliburton -- immediately feels like a senior Monté Morris in taking ownership of the team on offense and Naz Mitrou-Long for leading the team on and off the court, seamlessly transitions from complementary guy into THE guy, competes to lead the team in scoring and keeps up his ATR and efficiency numbers despite much higher usage, makes everybody around him better, ends up first-team all-Big 12 and competes for CPOTY, rides off into the sunset as a lottery pick to be an NBA PG, we are sad to see him go but really proud and happy for him

Nixon -- he is not the volume scorer or shooter that Marial Shayok was, but he is better on defense despite his small size, good at neutralizing an opponents' best scoring guard either through physical ability, a tough attitude, meanness, or head games, and knows how to pick his spots on offense and let Haliburton set him up, becomes a fan favorite as a throwback to a Larry sort of tough guy, even if his numbers are not the flashiest ones on the team

Bolton -- basically what we expected out of Wigginton or Horton-Tucker for this season in leading the team in scoring, a "good chucker" like Marial turned into an efficient player on offense with an excellent PG around to set him up and handle the ball for him and to get him good shots, his high FT% translates into a high % taking open threes to space the floor, and gives us just enough on defense to be serviceable... ending up something like second-team or third-team all-Big 12 and we are definitely looking forward to the next two years with him featured

Jacobson -- he shakes the inconsistency out of his game from last year, playing like he did early in the season (against some over-matched opponents, to be fair) and in Kansas City the entire season, becoming a versatile big man who has some very good back-to-the-basket moves, good vision and passing, a serviceable outside shot, and toughness on the block and on the boards despite his slightly less than ideal size against high-major competition... ends up competing for leading the team in scoring, second-team or third-team all-Big 12

Young -- comes back 100% healthy, is that missing piece of that brawler on the block that we missed last year against some of the bigger, stronger posts that we faced (such as Kaleb Wesson from Ohio State), but has added a number of skilled plays to his game with more post moves on the block, a serviceable outside shot, and more ability to guard away from the basket... his defensive positioning and boxing out will still be there, making him and Jacobson relatively interchangeable, with Solomon the stronger defense option, giving us options, flexibility, and depth at the 4-5 position in a way we have not had in a long time

Conditt -- has a breakout year the same way Haliburton did last year, growing fully to 7'0" and learning to use all of it on offense and defense, develops a chemistry with Haliburton on offense... lots of lobs in Hilton... and blocking shots left-and-right on defense without totally selling himself out on position, having enough bulk and strength to hang down there now... earns a starting spot and develops a nice inside-out game with Jacobson, looking forward to having him (maybe only one?) the next season as a featured guy on both ends of the court

Lewis/Griffin -- one of them (or both, ideally) emerges as a 4* wing that we hoped we were getting when we recruited them, able to space the floor and play solid defense on positions 1-4, giving us a way to neutralize a Culver or Wade type on defense with a long, rangy, athletic guy able to guard them anywhere on the court... a good enough athlete and aggressive on offense, always serving as a threat on that end and in transition, and able maybe earn a starting spot or at least solid minutes as a sixth man... we need some 3&D guys, and they are them

Freshmen -- Jackson is too good to keep off the court, earns minutes as the first guard off the bench/a bench gunner, kind of like a young Naz or Tyrus McGee did... Grill grows into his body and picks up skills quickly, finds some skill or some defensive ability that also makes him too good to keep out of the game... Leech is a wild card, could turn out to be so athletic and dangerous on offense that you cannot keep him out, returning to a 4* or 5* form... Anderson has had the least press on here so far, but perhaps he proves a skilled big man who has some skill, such as court vision against a zone, that makes him impossible not to play

WORST CASE

Haliburton -- is kind of the guy from last year, but sees his efficiency numbers and ATR plummet because of his expanded role... NBA guys back off, thinking he needs some more seasoning and experience before being "the guy" in a high-major conference, and he is not quite able to take over the team like Melvin or Naz did in the past, but coming back for his junior year with reinforcements on the way, still brimming with confidence

Nixon -- basically all the bad things about him at Colorado State stay with him... chucks a lot of bad shots, proves too small to be a great defender in the Big 12, basically a guard version of Jeff Beverly where an undersized volume guy is unable to make the leap to being a viable contributor or starter at the Big 12 level given the difference in competition

Bolton -- not eligible

Jacobson -- basically the same guy from last year, where he could be brilliant in spurts and beating up on smaller posts from mid-major competition, but as soon as he runs into the bigger and stronger guys in the Big 12, he comes back down to Earth, and he never quite develops a reliable outside shot to help us space the floor and kick it up a level

Young -- either not healthy and/or has not shown much development from his freshman and sophomore seasons... still a big body who knows how to position himself on defense, box out, and clean up some trash on the boards, but he has no real skills or reliable shot besides those, which makes him useful but not the featured piece we need

Conditt -- again, basically the same guy from last year, where he does not quite know how to use his length and size yet, and he is too slow for guards/wings in the Big 12 and too lithe for some of the bulkier big men he is going to face next season... the potential is still there and he is still young, but he seems to still be a season away from really being ready

Lewis/Griffin -- are who they are... just not Big 12 players

Freshmen -- likely at least some of them are pressed into service before they are ready, and while they might show flashes, they should not yet be playing serious minutes for a competitive Big 12 team... Jackson and Grill have potential but are not ready, same with Anderson, and Leech maybe does not even make it through the season for some reason
This is perfect. I think that even if there is a middle ground between those two we are a bubble team / could sneak into the tournament as a 9/10/11 seed.
 

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"Additionally, walk-on student-athletes on teams that provide athletics aid and nonrecruited walk-ons can transfer and play immediately without a waiver. Those rules are effective for students who transfer to new schools this fall." per http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/di-council-adjusts-transfer-rules

This is sort of superfluous to the Bolton's situation (and is not something he would consider, anyway), but it seems to me that this walk-on exception clause only applies to transfers by walk-on student-athletes to another school, and would not apply to a scholarship athlete transferring to a new school, regardless of his or her financial aid status at the new school.

If we cut out the "and nonrecruited walk-ons" part, the sentence reads "walk-on student-athletes on teams that provide athletic aid ...can transfer and play immediately without a waiver."

Thus, it seems that you would have to be a walk-on athlete at your first school in order for this transfer exception to apply, which would not apply to Bolton. Am I misinterpreting this?
 

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This is sort of superfluous to the Bolton's situation (and is not something he would consider, anyway), but it seems to me that this walk-on exception clause only applies to transfers by walk-on student-athletes to another school, and would not apply to a scholarship athlete transferring to a new school, regardless of his or her financial aid status at the new school.

If we cut out the "and nonrecruited walk-ons" part, the sentence reads "walk-on student-athletes on teams that provide athletic aid ...can transfer and play immediately without a waiver."

Thus, it seems that you would have to be a walk-on athlete at your first school in order for this transfer exception to apply, which would not apply to Bolton. Am I misinterpreting this?

True.
 
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This is sort of superfluous to the Bolton's situation (and is not something he would consider, anyway), but it seems to me that this walk-on exception clause only applies to transfers by walk-on student-athletes to another school, and would not apply to a scholarship athlete transferring to a new school, regardless of his or her financial aid status at the new school.

If we cut out the "and nonrecruited walk-ons" part, the sentence reads "walk-on student-athletes on teams that provide athletic aid ...can transfer and play immediately without a waiver."

Thus, it seems that you would have to be a walk-on athlete at your first school in order for this transfer exception to apply, which would not apply to Bolton. Am I misinterpreting this?
Ah, that makes sense.
 

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The transfer rules apply to walk ons as well.

At least they do in football as Iowa has 2 WR's that are transfers that have to sit out this season.
This is sort of superfluous to the Bolton's situation (and is not something he would consider, anyway), but it seems to me that this walk-on exception clause only applies to transfers by walk-on student-athletes to another school, and would not apply to a scholarship athlete transferring to a new school, regardless of his or her financial aid status at the new school.

If we cut out the "and nonrecruited walk-ons" part, the sentence reads "walk-on student-athletes on teams that provide athletic aid ...can transfer and play immediately without a waiver."

Thus, it seems that you would have to be a walk-on athlete at your first school in order for this transfer exception to apply, which would not apply to Bolton. Am I misinterpreting this?


Ah makes sense..
 

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I ******* hate the ISU pity parties. STFU. If he gets it great. If not we’ll roll with who we have and probably make the most of it. THAT is Iowa State. Not whatever the WE ARE ISU/Nut cups crap is. That’s for pathetic losers that hate their own lives and use ISU athletics as a projection tool to make everyone else’s as miserable as theirs.

I tagged this "dumb" because now you just need one more click for the perfecta on emoticons... High honor indeed.
 

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What was Harden's case for eligibility?
Harden’s announcement comes just a day after Naji Marshall, Paul Scruggs, and Quentin Goodin declared for the NBA draft, and two days after Tyrique Jones entered the NBA draft. None of the four have hired agents.

He struggled to earn consistent playing time on last year’s team, but had eight points and played 26 minutes in Xavier’s win over Villanova this past season.

Harden averaged 2.9 points per game this season in 29 games, shooting 45.0/35.3/60.0 in 11.8 minutes per game.
 

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Harden’s announcement comes just a day after Naji Marshall, Paul Scruggs, and Quentin Goodin declared for the NBA draft, and two days after Tyrique Jones entered the NBA draft. None of the four have hired agents.

He struggled to earn consistent playing time on last year’s team, but had eight points and played 26 minutes in Xavier’s win over Villanova this past season.

Harden averaged 2.9 points per game this season in 29 games, shooting 45.0/35.3/60.0 in 11.8 minutes per game.
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I really don't know how great of a case that Bolton has because I'm not sure how toxic it was for the players at Penn State under their head coach?

But I do think giving Martin a waiver sets a really bad precedent. So an assistant coach leaving would now allow you to transfer without penalty? Really? That happens nearly every year at almost every school.