Iowa State doesn't retire numbers. They hang jerseys. Agree with your premise, though.
If Haliburton Wins the NBA Finals This Year...
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In my opinion, its only a stretch because of duration. If he wins a championship and plays 4-5 more years at a an all star level for the Pacers (with no more championships), I'd say you could call him the greatest Pacer ever.
I'd rank him #2 all time in the NBA era behind Reggie only.
If you add in the ABA time (and 3 championships), that complicates it. George McGinnis and Mel Daniels would probably be ahead of him.
About the only comparable guy I've found with a retired number is Demar Derozan. He played 1 year at USC and lost in the 2nd round as a 10 seed. For the most part, other guys that have only played a year or two haven't had their numbers retired. Durant's number is retired but he won the Wooden Award.
Davidson refused to retire Stephen Curry's number until he finished his degree. I love the fact that Tyrese was a Cyclone and reps for the Cyclones every chance he gets- but in my opinion you need to have graduated to attain that honor.
From NYT The Morning news summary:
N.B.A.: Tyrese Haliburton’s dazzling performance led the Indiana Pacers to a 130-121 win and a 3-1 series lead over the New York Knicks in the Eastern Conference finals. Even more impressive? His zero turnovers.
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Tinsley was here 2 years and helped lead us to heights no one in this program ever has. We have 2 conference titles since WW2... and he got both of them... outright.
you give him an honorary doctorate and hang his retired jersey in every rafter on campus!
Retiring a jersey should be more based on a player's accomplishments while at ISU more than what they did in the NBA after they left IMO. Not saying that he isn't deserving but there are a few other more deserving players that need to be retired before he is considered. Niang being the first one I thought of, Monte and Ejim also are deserving and how we have never retired Fizer yet who was possibly the best player to ever play here is a damn shame too. In today's era where someone playing 4 years for the same school being rare the whole "didn't graduate" thing probably needs to be tossed from criteria if that is what is keeping some from being retired.
Nice research. that seems BONKERS that USC retired his number. He's third all time in scoring as a freshman in USC history. and its not like they retire everyone. They only have 7 retired jerseys.
its just missing out on some massive marketing opportunities. In this day and age, I think you gotta drop that requirement.
Don't the guys who leave early always promise their momma they'll finish their degree someday?
I'm in the camp that it should mostly be based on what you did as a player at Iowa State. I'm also a fan of a cooling off period so the jersey should only be retired 10 or more years after leaving Iowa State. I wasn't a fan of rushing to retire Hoiberg's. Too much of a chance of the Sanders/Hunter fiasco.
Twenty years ago the degree thing might have made sense, but a guy who leaves a year early because his coach tells him it is the right decision and he is making in his first contract more than most of us will in our lifetime has gotten what he should have from his ISU experience. Fizer only left early because he learned that his parent's house had burned down during the season. They didn't tell him until after the season was over. Should he be punished to that degree for taking care of his family?
That change obviously will have to wait until after JP is gone.
Twenty years ago the degree thing might have made sense, but a guy who leaves a year early because his coach tells him it is the right decision and he is making in his first contract more than most of us will in our lifetime has gotten what he should have from his ISU experience. Fizer only left early because he learned that his parent's house had burned down during the season. They didn't tell him until after the season was over. Should he be punished to that degree for taking care of his family?
That change obviously will have to wait until after JP is gone.
Monte/ejim/Niang are all still playing and ideal 4 year graduate zero problems student athletes.
If they aren’t quickly retired when done playing something is very wrong with our “system”. They’re all as worthy as anybody else who has the honor. If Fizer/Tinsley can’t be in rafters those three and maybe Tamin in future are automatics.
If he wins a championship, Iowa State should award him an honorary degree and should then retire his jersey immediately.
Exactly. Tough as the game has changed. Would a transfer who was here a year and then got diploma while at ISU qualify? Etc.
In my opinion number retirements should be for what they did at Iowa State. He was in Ames for 2 years and was hurt for most of the second season. He’s got his gold medal banner up there. If he continues to have an incredible NBA career I could see them doing something else special for him
