How far has Lance Armstrong fallen?
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One problem...Hincape would have faced a lifetime ban for getting caught doping. He cut a deal for himself to testify against Armstrong so he could keep riding and make hundreds of thousands of dollars in additional monies. How do you trust what he says?
(And he has a major ax to grind against Armstrong because he blamed Lance for not letting him win a stage in the Tour. He is tainted and has a vendetta against Armstrong)
What are you talking about? This makes absolutely zero sense. The only guys who the brand managers claim have axes to grind are the ones who had the audacity to leave postal/dc and try to win a tour. The axes to grind are a by product of la/Johan getting the UCI to punish them for leaving the blue train. Funny AC didnt have his issues ( not withstanding his puerto problem) until after the Astana team lead dust-up. So maybe it was just LA and not Johan calling the UCI shots.
George was the most loyal LA rider but also had no designs on winning a grand tour, he was a classics rider, so no threat to LA, therefore no ax to grind. He is retiring and while the doping admission may have influenced his decision, i am sure his age played a major factor -unless your name is Jens and you tell your legs to shut up there is no one in the peleton close to hincapies age.
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Reality is that Hincape had a lifetime goal of winning a stage in the tour de france. In Lance's last race, Hincape was on a different team. He had a shot at yellow until Radio Shack as a team sped up and he lost the yellow by a few seconds. After that stage he publically blamed Lance and would not speak to him. It was a blow he never forgot, and he no doubt was bitter and felt that Lance had betrayed him. He is a witness with a major ax to grind, and I don't believe him. I'm just giving you the fact and my opinion. You are entitled to yours as well.
And as I said in the other post, Hincape was caught doping and faced a lifetime ban until he cut a deal for himself with this clown who heads up the doping agency. The head of that quasi agency was arrested and found guilty of indecent exposure. Real quality guy there.
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So his win stage win in 2005 all of a sudden doesn't count against his lifetime goal? You are entitled to your opinion, but you are the only brand manager on the planet I have heard defend LA with the ax to grind mantra against big George.
You might be right, but hard to believe there isn't at least one sample that shows drugs. He had to take tests with less then 10 minutes notice anywhere he was at in the world.
If George had not cut the deal, he would have had no revenue source. With the deal, he kept riding and now has a book deal. Eventually, we will know if this is all the truth.
I watched Phil Liggett on the internet, and he doesn't believe it as well. And he is close to all these guys. Maybe that has changed, I don't know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJz4kwm9mXc
If George had not cut the deal, he would have had no revenue source. With the deal, he kept riding and now has a book deal. Eventually, we will know if this is all the truth.
I watched Phil Liggett on the internet, and he doesn't believe it as well. And he is close to all these guys. Maybe that has changed, I don't know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJz4kwm9mXc
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Yes, here he is winning the tour stage as Lance's teammate.
As far as no source of income, have you never heard of Hincapie cycling wear, ketelmeister? That is his family's business. He will probably be taking it over along with his brother after he retires.
The Hincapie Story
By the way, as far as Phil Liggett goes, I like him as a commentator but if you watch him enough you learn that he is often wrong. That is what makes him so endearing.
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You may be right... Maybe, just maybe ALL the testimory from riders, assistants, masseuses, etc..., all the subpeonas, all the interviews which corroborated other evidence, all the associations with doping doctors, all the evaded tests.... MAYBE its all a coordinated effort. Adn MAYBE we never landed on the moon. And MAYBE 9/11 was an inside job... Perhaps you've invented a new thing - a LA Truther!
Nice article (not linked) that describes several instances where LA would be spirited off in a car when he found out a no-notice drug test was approacing. This was detailed by his one-time personal assistant/bike mechanic. He has an axe to grind too since his claim was he had an oral agreement with LA to fund the guy's bike shop.
One thing you can NEVER take away from Lance Armstrong is 2 balls... Because he's already down 1. He'll always have that, unless he gets more of the cancer in the nuut from injecting EPO into the nuttal mass.
So LA won because of the doping and the aerodynamic advantage of having only 1 nuticle.
So LA won because of the doping and the aerodynamic advantage of having only 1 nuticle.
Not me, never. I believed him up until I read that multi-page report last week. Then I listened to experts after that report was released. So much information from so many people. Too much damaging testimony from his team members and his assistants. He lied to everyone. Lump him in with all of the other fallen sports idols. He's history.
George would like to be on record for TDF stage win like any rider would. However, the thing he wanted most was in cycling was a Paris-Roubaix victory. Came close but usually had terrible luck (like handlebars separating from bike at 50 KPH).
Wow, just read entire report...and watched video. It did change my view on this. I assume he will come clean in a speech in the next week. He will be around $50 million lighter after all the lawsuits and paybacks are over, if not more. This one did get me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-OkFKJBSbw
