Just like when Selden stepped over Smart in the KU/OSU game. KU should have a foul from both instances.
Hogue's "Intentional" foul
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Just like when Selden stepped over Smart in the KU/OSU game. KU should have a foul from both instances.
If there was ever a gmae where I'll take defeat and admit we lost to a superior team it was last night. There wasn't much leg ******* going on. I'm not going to call one 1:00 stretch of play with 3 turnovers while currently behind and after being down by as many as 16 in the game ******* a game away. KU had everything to do with everything.
Now if we were up by 16 at one point and ahead at that point and made 3 turnovers, that would be ******* it down our legs.
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I've seen it many times. The ref pushes hogue into the first row. If ku players were "coming after him" why weren't they given T's?
Not blaming the refs at all for losing the game. KU played out of their minds. The good guys played hard, and turned that ball over late. BUT, it always seems like a questionable event happens late in the game when we play KU that completely changes to momentum of the game. Charge/Block no-call, last second bank, intentional foul, etc, etc. I'm just getting tired of it.
A good official doesn't give players technicals for coming at another player jawing, especially after they just saw a hard foul on their teammate. You have to recognize the emotion of the moment and help to make sure it doesn't escalate. The ref defused the situation be being in between the players. He came in and grabbed the player who had committed a hard foul with a lot of contact. I am not necessarily glad that he grabbed Hogue but I understand why he did. I'm glad he was in between when a couple of the other KU players made a move toward Hogue yelling at him. Were their actions deserving of a T? I don't think so. Thankfully the ref was in between so it didn't escalate. If it did, I could see a situation where Dustin feels trapped and pushes them away and gets ejected.
I can't comment on what else Fred saw and asked them to review on the monitor. I didn't see it.
What irked me most about the situation was when Self and one of the officials were standing side by side with big smiles on their face not long after the play. I don't believe it to be the case, but it was almost as if Self was saying "thanks for the call" and the official was saying "you're welcome".
Oh damn, you cracked the case, that's exactly what they were doing! If only it weren't for you meddling kids they would have gotten away with it too.
"I sincerely hope they show them what a real intentional foul is here real soon and knock that guy back to Zimbabwe ( non racial)"
I know you said non racial, but it's so blatantly ignorant and racist it needs to be called out. Joel is from Cameroon. Wiggins is from Canada.....
I know you said non racial, but it's so blatantly ignorant and racist it needs to be called out. Joel is from Cameroon. Wiggins is from Canada.....
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I don't know if we could have still won the game or not because KU was just on fire all night, but that intentional foul on Hogue was complete BS. He went after the ball all the way. That was horrible, and I can't believe there are actually Cyclone fans on here that think it was the correct call. No way.
And as Fred said after the game, it was a crucial call because KU had a 3 pt lead, and that call made it a 7 pt lead.
But I give our guys credit. They fought really hard and played very well I thought. Not real good defense at times, but they were trying to stay out of foul trouble. But there's no reason that Wiggins should just get to shoot wide open 3's all night with nobody in his face. That was bad.
But overall I thought that if we had played like that all year, we would have been going into last night's game still undefeated. Nobody besides KU in this league could have beat us the way we were playing last night IMO. Not even OSU. Not even KU in the first meeting at Hilton could have beaten us if we played like we did last night IMO. We just ran into a buzz saw.
And as Fred said after the game, it was a crucial call because KU had a 3 pt lead, and that call made it a 7 pt lead.
But I give our guys credit. They fought really hard and played very well I thought. Not real good defense at times, but they were trying to stay out of foul trouble. But there's no reason that Wiggins should just get to shoot wide open 3's all night with nobody in his face. That was bad.
But overall I thought that if we had played like that all year, we would have been going into last night's game still undefeated. Nobody besides KU in this league could have beat us the way we were playing last night IMO. Not even OSU. Not even KU in the first meeting at Hilton could have beaten us if we played like we did last night IMO. We just ran into a buzz saw.
KU would have had a 5 point lead and the call and a decision to not block out in any way made it a 7 point lead.
It's not like they were given 4 points, because they had the free throws coming, and ISU still could have stopped them the next possession.
Otherwise, I agree with you.
I am surprised more people haven't talked about this. 1st) I felt the KU player guarding the inbound was not giving the proper room. 2nd) I believe the ball was tipped while it was still in Kane's hand which would be a technical.
You can see Kane immediately turn to the ref but nothing was done. This "turnover" (still not convinced it was a clean play) led to the questionable intentional foul. For me it was a complete fail sequence from the refs.
You realize the play that Self was smirking with the refs was a call that went against KU, right? It was when Embiid got that one handed rebound with Ejim pulling him down and instead of the dunk, the refs called the foul.
I believe to be the case.
How many years are you apologists going to keep staring at this in disbelief. WTC7???
These crunch-time calls AND the aforementioned lack of rebounding/defense (when was the last time any of you guys played your hardest for 40 minutes??? This dove-tails into the lack of bench management against our more-talented, longer/stronger competition) caused our good team to lose to the semi-pro ********.
You could be right. Or the ku players were coming to help there teammate off the floor not really "coming after Dustin" might be why there was no reason for a T, and the ref overreacting to the whole play thought Dustin was going after the ku player and grabbed him immediately before anyone else even had time to react. I couldn't care less that he grabbed hogue, just saying they overreacted to a play that wasn't that big of a deal. This was men's not women's basketball.
