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Lower-income families should spend less on fuel by burning less of it. Better yet, they shouldn't have to spend ANY on fuel and be able to get around using public transportation. In larger areas, it's actually considerably cheaper than even just owning a car, let alone driving it.

But that's not going to happen as long as car companies keep pumping out 10-15mpg huge metal 4x4 boxes on wheels and don't offer better alternatives, and people insist on driving them around. Just as I don't feel sorry for people who bought more house than they can afford and are now getting foreclosed on, I don't feel one bit sorry for people with big inefficient vehicles getting nailed by fuel prices.


Pure ignorance..... Public transportation isn't as easily accessible as you think it is. This is Iowa. You don't have bus routes going to every factory around. You don't have that in the midwest.

Many low income people can't simply walk down the block and wait for the bus to show up. I know many low income people that have to drive from a nearby town for work... Why??? Cause living in certain areas close to jobs is way to expensive for some. Leaving them to live in areas where it it cheaper. Yeah they are suffering and using more gas to get to work, but what the alternative??

You must think everyone lives in a city or populated area.


As far as those 4x4 gas guzzlers... I work in the Ag Industry, and ther is no flippin way I would ever get into some areas I need to using a Honda Prius or what ever the heck it is.

There needs to be something done. I don't think ethanol is the answer or biodiesel using soybeans. Corn and Bean prices are at record highs because of all the ethanol and diesel plants. This is affecting everyday life for everyone. Notice the increase in products at the grocery store lately and also the meat prices? Not completely due to gas prices. More due to high corn and bean prices.

Overall, my personal opinion, the government could do more to help out or prevent this. We never should of elected and trusted a president that has a stake in the oil market.
 

ISUKyro

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Just filled up for about $3.16 in Kingwood (NE Houston). I think I last gased up about a week and a half ago at about $3.10 so a big higher.
 

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That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. So somehow your work determines your qualifications now?

It makes perfect sense. Your ability to express yourself clearly and accurately should reflect your knowledge on the subject. If one repeatedly misstates facts and provides inaccurate information, the readers may start to doubt that poster's credibiltiy.

No, they knew how to get it out, it was just cost prohibitive.

Until a technological leap was made in hydraulic fractionation (in the late -'40s and early '50s), and major improvements in horizontal drilling capabilities (late 1990's).

Now it may have been made MORE efficient to get out lately, but that doesn't mean that it was some quantum leap that now solves all our problems.

I never said the technology developments that allowed Barnett Shale gas reserves to be tapped solves all our problems.

I never said I don't like biofuels

You said:
jumbopackage said:
Biofuels are the cop-out that people who don't like change use to justify their inabilty to do so.

My bad. I interpreted that to mean that you don't like biofuels. :skeptical:

Yes, many small ones. That's my point. There's no large scale production because it's not currently viable, nor is it really viable in the future.

Again how do you know this? What information do you have that can postively tell you that large scale biodiesel production will not be viable in the future?

If Exxon could make a fortune making biodiesel, don't you think they would?

Outside of the US, Exxon, BP, and other are involved in biodiesel already. A little Google searching will show you that.

In the US, Chevron markets BioDiesel:
Chevron Products: Our Fuels: Bio Fuels

Shell is jumping in as well...
Bloomberg.com: U.K. & Ireland

If the world's oil supplies dried up tomorrow, could biodiesel keep the world running? It's like saying "look, guys are running cars on vegetable oil. the energy crisis is over!".

Who claimed that it could? Since people have only really been seriously considering large scale biodiesel for maybe the past 10-15 years, why would you expect biodeisel to to solve the worlds energy problems?

But that's not going to happen as long as car companies keep pumping out 10-15mpg huge metal 4x4 boxes on wheels and don't offer better alternatives, and people insist on driving them around. Just as I don't feel sorry for people who bought more house than they can afford and are now getting foreclosed on, I don't feel one bit sorry for people with big inefficient vehicles getting nailed by fuel prices.

Most lower income people don't drive SUV's. The drive small affordable Kias, and Hyundais, and Mazdas, and Toyotas and Honda Civics that get very good mileage. Public transportation is sometimes great, when cities have it.
 

jumbopackage

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Pure ignorance..... Public transportation isn't as easily accessible as you think it is. This is Iowa. You don't have bus routes going to every factory around. You don't have that in the midwest.

Many low income people can't simply walk down the block and wait for the bus to show up. I know many low income people that have to drive from a nearby town for work... Why??? Cause living in certain areas close to jobs is way to expensive for some. Leaving them to live in areas where it it cheaper. Yeah they are suffering and using more gas to get to work, but what the alternative??

You must think everyone lives in a city or populated area.


As far as those 4x4 gas guzzlers... I work in the Ag Industry, and ther is no flippin way I would ever get into some areas I need to using a Honda Prius or what ever the heck it is.

There needs to be something done. I don't think ethanol is the answer or biodiesel using soybeans. Corn and Bean prices are at record highs because of all the ethanol and diesel plants. This is affecting everyday life for everyone. Notice the increase in products at the grocery store lately and also the meat prices? Not completely due to gas prices. More due to high corn and bean prices.

Overall, my personal opinion, the government could do more to help out or prevent this. We never should of elected and trusted a president that has a stake in the oil market.

I know public transportation is not easily available here. That is a gripe of mine about Iowa. I wasn't implying that it was available. I was saying that it needs to be available.

Let's face it - there aren't a whole lot of non-agriculture related jobs in rural Iowa. Period. Most of the "manufacturing jobs" are in cities. Most cities even the size of Ft. Dodge have public transport of some sort. It's a balancing act as to where to live and how far from work to move. I work with guys who live 70 miles from work. It may be an awesome place to live, but you're going to pay for it. On the other hand, if you're an employer, you need to pay full time employees enough to live on for the area. That's quite simple. If you aren't paying your employees enough to live on, you are going to have trouble finding labor in the area. As long as employees are willing to suck it up, they are really only hurting themselves.

People are always talking about how expensive it is to live in cities, well there are costs associated with country living too, and those are going up as well apparently.

Of course there are people who have a valid need for a 4x4. There are some jobs and situations that require a 4x4. I'd wager that more than 90% of who have them don't really need them, and hardly ever use it. Hell, there's a Top Gear episode where they drive halfway across Africa in 2wd cars they bought for 1000 dollars.
 

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It makes perfect sense. Your ability to express yourself clearly and accurately should reflect your knowledge on the subject. If one repeatedly misstates facts and provides inaccurate information, the readers may start to doubt that poster's credibiltiy.
Credibility has absolutely NOTHING to do with "qualifications". You can repeat facts all day long but that doesn't make you qualified to talk about it.



Until a technological leap was made in hydraulic fractionation (in the late -'40s and early '50s), and major improvements in horizontal drilling capabilities (late 1990's).



I never said the technology developments that allowed Barnett Shale gas reserves to be tapped solves all our problems.

My point was that until recently, while possible, it wasn't economically viable to pull that stuff out of the ground. Just like it really isn't economically viable to have biofuels replace fossil fuels right now. There might at some point be an economic situation where biofuels may be cost effective for people, likely people who have the raw materials in the first place (farmers?), but it's not likely to make fuel any cheaper.



My bad. I interpreted that to mean that you don't like biofuels. :skeptical:
I don't like biofuels as a solution to our nations energy needs. I have no fundamental problem with them, other than too many people look at them like they're going to solve our problems, when they mostly are just delaying the inevitable.



Again how do you know this? What information do you have that can postively tell you that large scale biodiesel production will not be viable in the future?



Outside of the US, Exxon, BP, and other are involved in biodiesel already. A little Google searching will show you that.

In the US, Chevron markets BioDiesel:
Chevron Products: Our Fuels: Bio Fuels

Shell is jumping in as well...
Bloomberg.com: U.K. & Ireland

Chevron is investing in technology, not investing in manufacturing. They are also investing in geothermal, solar, hydrogen, fuel cells and everything else in hopes that something pans out.

Shell is hoping, in 20 years, that biodiesel will comprise just 7 percent of the transport fuel market according to that link. That means that 93% of transport fuel will still be from fossil fuels in 20 years. Is that honestly worth it?

Being involved in research is a far, far cry from actually building capacity to reap the benefits.

Who claimed that it could? Since people have only really been seriously considering large scale biodiesel for maybe the past 10-15 years, why would you expect biodeisel to to solve the worlds energy problems?
I don't. Other people often do. The problem is that worldwide consumption of fossil fuels is increasing and shows no signs of slowing. Costs and prices probably aren't going to come down significantly, and biofuels aren't going to make a significant impact on that for most people, unless they begin to comprise the majority of the fuel supply.

The only real answer in the long run is to reduce fossil fuel consumption if we want to keep the economy healthy. It means more efficient vehicles and technology and maybe some lifestyle changes for people. Lifestyle changes aren't going to be forced on people by the government, but they will likely be forced on them by the economic realities of the world we live in. I tend to believe that most of those things will be positive, especially for urban areas.
 

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I drive an SUV because I like them. I live in West Des Moines and rarely take it off road. Why do people care that I do this? I live 3 miles from my work and probably drive 10-20 miles per day (except for when I drive for work). So I basically use 1 gallon of gas per day. Why am I such a terrible person for driving an SUV when someone who lives in Ames drives 100 miles per day with their 30 mpg car? They use 3.33 gallons per day compared to my one.

I never understood that.
 

ISUKyro

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I drive an SUV because I like them. I live in West Des Moines and rarely take it off road. Why do people care that I do this? I live 3 miles from my work and probably drive 10-20 miles per day (except for when I drive for work). So I basically use 1 gallon of gas per day. Why am I such a terrible person for driving an SUV when someone who lives in Ames drives 100 miles per day with their 30 mpg car? They use 3.33 gallons per day compared to my one.

I never understood that.



I say that is your decision. Now if you started to complain about gas prices and the such more than someone else, then I would question you. Being that you are not doing that I don't see a problem with it.
PS I can't say much as I drive a sports car. I accept it as my choice and understand that I will pay more for gas than when I had my small 4-banger truck.
 

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Anyone able to ride a bike to work this summer? Or is everyone too far from work?
 

ISUKyro

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Anyone able to ride a bike to work this summer? Or is everyone too far from work?

I'm about 8miles from work - which is not too far to ride a bike. It's the H-town traffic that scares the crap out of me when I have ridden to work. :sad:

While it's not impossible I just don't like playing pinball with car, if you know what I mean.
 

jumbopackage

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I drive an SUV because I like them. I live in West Des Moines and rarely take it off road. Why do people care that I do this? I live 3 miles from my work and probably drive 10-20 miles per day (except for when I drive for work). So I basically use 1 gallon of gas per day. Why am I such a terrible person for driving an SUV when someone who lives in Ames drives 100 miles per day with their 30 mpg car? They use 3.33 gallons per day compared to my one.

I never understood that.

That's totally fine. You could, however, be driving something getting 40 MPG and burn .25-.5 gallons a day. If gas is 5 dollars a gallon, and you burn a gallon a day, you're going to spend 1800 dollars a year on gas. If you were to burn .25 gallons a day, you'd save 1350 dollars a year, or over 100 a month, just for driving a different vehicle.

Edit: I live about a mile from work and can easily bike in the summer. Even if I drive, it takes me more than a week to burn a gallon of gas in my car commuting.
 
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I'm about 8miles from work - which is not too far to ride a bike. It's the H-town traffic that scares the crap out of me when I have ridden to work. :sad:

While it's not impossible I just don't like playing pinball with car, if you know what I mean.

Yeah I'm only about 6 miles on a straight shot highway to work, but I'm worried somebody is going to be peeved off that I wrote up some ridiculous prediction on my blog and blindside me in a moment of road-rage weakness. :yes:

That and I don't want my students to have to deal with my stank if I biked 6 miles to school as out of shape as I currently am :sad:
 

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Just filled up for about $3.16 in Kingwood (NE Houston). I think I last gased up about a week and a half ago at about $3.10 so a big higher.

We jumped .10 to 3.39 on Saturday, but they dropped it down to 3.33 on Sunday. I'm 90 miles from Milwaukee, but they include us in the area that gets the more expensive reformulated gas that is used in the Milwaukee area. :skeptical:
 

ISUKyro

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Yeah I'm only about 6 miles on a straight shot highway to work, but I'm worried somebody is going to be peeved off that I wrote up some ridiculous prediction on my blog and blindside me in a moment of road-rage weakness. :yes:

That and I don't want my students to have to deal with my stank if I biked 6 miles to school as out of shape as I currently am :sad:



LOL - ah man I gotta give ya more credit when I can spread more around. Between the blog quote and the students I really do understand 100%!!!
 

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