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Wait, so I've tried researching spoilers with this movie and can't get a good play by play on what happens in this movie. I'm not a comic book reader, and not really into this movie, but the hype/hate for this movie intrigued me, that and my legion of nephews asking me about who 'wins' this. Does Superman really die in this movie, I've seen it twice now? I figured they had some misunderstanding, lol I hate you, but let's band together at the end towards a common enemy.

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K, so while I recognize I've been a bit hard on this movie as can be seen above, after listening to a podcast review this morning of Batman vs Superman, I really do want to see it again to see my take on it after a second time when I'm not quite caught off guard as much with some of this stuff we've been talking about. In fact, if I think back, I do remember not being super crazy about Man of Steel the first time I saw it (definitely not as bad of reaction as to B v S), but have come to like it more as I've just revisited it here recently in a lead-up to this movie. Who knows, maybe I'll somewhat feel the same after the second time seeing B v S. Again, the extended cut may really help too. Maybe not.

On another note, I actually liked Avenger's: Age of Ultron better the second time I saw it as well.
 
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The large difference between the two major comic franchises, DC and Marvel, is that Disney had a real plan for their universe. It started out disparate but it came together nicely. DC on the other hand is simply trying to mimic Marvel.

Also, the choice of Joss Whedon to get this started for Marvel was genius. Zach Snyder was just a terrible choice for DC. Did they watch Sucker Punch? After the Superman reboot everyone should have known this would end in failure. On a side note Gail Gadot's Wonder Woman film actually looks good, from early indications.



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Triggermv

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The large difference between the two major comic franchises, DC and Marvel, is that Disney had a real plan for their universe. It started out disparate but it came together nicely. DC on the other hand is simply trying to mimic Marvel.

Also, the choice of Joss Whedon to get this started for Marvel was genius. Zach Snyder was just a terrible choice for DC. Did they watch Sucker Punch? After the Superman reboot everyone should have known this would end in failure. On a side note Gail Gadot's Wonder Woman film actually looks good, from early indications.

While Disney definitely deserves a lot of credit for what they've done with the Marvel franchise, particularly the MCU, they still weren't the ones with the original concept, as the MCU started in 2008 (the concept idea goes back way further) and Disney didn't purchase them until 2009. Like you said, the true credit really mostly goes to Marvel, and more particularly Kevin Feige for coming up withe concept and being willing to try it. Disney then just purchased a train that was already moving and decided not to stop it, which rightly so should get some credit too.
 

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If you guys haven't noticed already, I'm a big rankings guy, and with there only being two movies so far out there in the DCEU, that makes things pretty lame for me in ranking them. Therefore, to make things more fun, I've taken my MCU list I've already posted on the MCU forum and inserted where I'd throw in the two DCEU movies in order to compare the two universes for now. Full Discolsure: I am BOTH a DC and Marvel lover and don't have any bias towards either. I simply want both to succeed and produce as many great movies as possible. With that said, here goes.



  1. Captain America: The Winter Soldier – Thought this movie had the best drama and best action scenes of all the movies
  2. Marvel’s The Avengers – Iconic way to pull everything together with the best villain in the MCU
  3. Iron Man – Epic way to start the Universe with an unbelievable star for a headliner. Never got into the Iron Monger villain though.
  4. Guardians of the Galaxy – Best space epic since the original Star Wars movies. Also was probably the funniest movie of the MCU so far.
  5. Man of Steel - Unlike many others, I actually really liked this movie, particularly the casting, the score, the cinematography, and the villain. Unlike many Marvel movie's villains, Zod actually had a point to being there.
  6. Ant-Man - Had super-low expectations, but walked away pleasantly surprised. Yet another weak villain, but contained some great comedy with some great actors. Paul Rudd won me over when I once was really skeptical of him.
  7. Captain America: The First Avenger – Epic first-half of the movie with Cap’s origin story, but believe it or not, I found Red Skull a little underdeveloped. Loved the WWII time period aspect of this one.
  8. Iron Man 2 – Many will mock me, but I actually really enjoyed this movie and actually enjoyed it more than Iron Man 3. Make fun of me all you want, but I didn’t think Whiplash was that bad. I think this movie gets unfairly criticized.
  9. Avengers: Age of Ultron – Fun movie, but suffered from too much CGI action, too many characters, and too many storylines. Big disappointment overall to me, second only to Batman v Superman, mainly due to expectations.
  10. Thor: The Dark World – Criticize me if you will, but I actually liked this movie and thought it got an unfair bad wrap. I didn’t find Malekith that bad and I actually liked this movie more than the original Thor.
  11. Iron Man 3 – Don’t know what it is, but I just never really got into this one, and it probably had something to do with the big Mandarin villain twist towards the end. Also never really liked Killian either. Again, I surprisingly like Iron Man 2 better
  12. Thor – Don’t know what it is, but I just never got into this storyline or villains as much as the others. Again, I surprisingly liked Thor: Dark World more.
  13. Batman v Superman - Haven't walked away from any of these movies quite so disappointed, mostly due to expectations, as I REALLY wanted this to be good. Bad characterization, confusing plot, too many Easter eggs, too many plot holes, bad editing, too much CGI. While there were a few things I liked, particularly Affleck as Batman and Gadot as Wonder Woman, I really hope what this movie did wrong can be corrected.
  14. The Incredible Hulk – Decent movie, but not great. Never was into Norton for the role, so was glad when the switch was made.
 
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SS is the only DC comic movie Im actually excited for right now.
 

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I truly believe Suicide Squad will be a hit and at least partially right the ship of the DCEU. Well, at least I'm REALLY hoping so.
 

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Apparently, the original Batman v Superman cut was a whopping 4 hours long!!!! Talk about a jumbled expensive mess. The theatrical release ended up being 2 hrs 41 minutes, and apparently the extended "R" rated blu ray release is expected to be about 3 hours long. Granted, I do hope the extended blu ray release will fill in a lot of the plot holes of what has been seen so far, but there is really no reason that Snyder should have filmed 4 hours worth of material. That is just bad planning and storytelling. I HIGHLY doubt WB gives him that much leeway with the Justice League movie.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batma...how-long-the-original-cut-of-batman-v-a139658
 

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Apparently, the original Batman v Superman cut was a whopping 4 hours long!!!! Talk about a jumbled expensive mess. The theatrical release ended up being 2 hrs 41 minutes, and apparently the extended "R" rated blu ray release is expected to be about 3 hours long. Granted, I do hope the extended blu ray release will fill in a lot of the plot holes of what has been seen so far, but there is really no reason that Snyder should have filmed 4 hours worth of material. That is just bad planning and storytelling. I HIGHLY doubt WB gives him that much leeway with the Justice League movie.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batma...how-long-the-original-cut-of-batman-v-a139658
Too much, too little time.
 

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Looks like a new shakeup is occurring over at WB in leadership with the DCEU in order to course-correct after the poor reception of Batman vs Superman:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/batman-v-superman-fallout-warner-895174

Essentially WB is now assigning two guys, Jon Berg and Geoff Johns, as creative overseers of the DCEU rather than just essentially allowing a hodgepodge of directors to determine its direction, continuity and tone. Essentially, the DCEU is finally crying uncle and now going more the route Marvel has done with one individual, Kevin Feige, overseeing the whole MCU operation. There is no doubt that this is a backpedal move after touting for a few years now that their DCEU will rival the MCU because their universe will be in the hands of a bunch of big-name creative directors rather than the corporate monster, leaving more freedom to make great movies. Obviously, there is downfalls to that model as well, particularly when one of those director's name is Zach Snyder. However, they are still saying that it will still leave a lot of creativity to the directors according to the article. Personally, I think this is a great move by WB and probably should have been this way all along. I also think they chose wisely with choosing both Berg and Johns for the role. I just hope those two don't have too much on their plate right now where they can actually do this position justice. I mean, doing this stuff is all Kevin Feige does, whereas these two will still retain a lot of their old responsibilities. I also love how WB is bringing Affleck into this mix to some extent as well, but more just on the production, directing, and creative side for the Batman portion of it. So, all in all, I don't see these things as bad things and I just hope that these are good steps towards righting the DCEU ship and that Snyder hasn't screwed everything up beyond repair.
 
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Looks like a new shakeup is occurring over at WB in leadership with the DCEU in order to course-correct after the poor reception of Batman vs Superman:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/batman-v-superman-fallout-warner-895174

Essentially WB is now assigning two guys, Jon Berg and Geoff Johns, as creative overseers of the DCEU rather than just essentially allowing a hodgepodge of directors to determine its direction, continuity and tone. Essentially, the DCEU is finally crying uncle and now going more the route Marvel has done with one individual, Kevin Feige, overseeing the whole MCU operation. There is no doubt that this is a backpedal move after touting for a few years now that their DCEU will rival the MCU because their universe will be in the hands of a bunch of big-name creative directors rather than the corporate monster, leaving more freedom to make great movies. However, they are still saying that it will still leave a lot of creativity to the directors according to the article. Personally, I think this is a great move by WB and probably should have been this way all along. I also think they chose wisely with choosing both Berg and Johns for the role. I just hope those two don't have too much on their plate right now where they can actually do this position justice. I mean, doing this stuff is all Kevin Feige does, whereas these two will still retain a lot of their old responsibilities. I also love how WB is bringing Affleck into this mix to some extent as well, but more just on the production, directing, and creative side for the Batman portion of it. So, all in all, I don't see these things as bad things and I just hope that these are good steps towards righting the DCEU ship and that Snyder hasn't screwed everything up beyond repair.




Too late.
 

Triggermv

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Too late.

Part of me tends to agree with you. However, I'm hoping I've seen enough good optimistic things from the next two movies Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman so far that the train might not be completely off the tracks yet. Granted, I could be wrong. In the end, I do REALLY want the DCEU to succeed.
 

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They'll do OK (at best) but my bet is the whole thing comes crashing down.

It'll happen to Marvel too, just maybe 5 years down the road.
 

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I really didn't mind Batman v Superman. I think the hate is overstated personally. Could have used more comedy and less storylines but oh well.
 

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I really didn't mind Batman v Superman. I think the hate is overstated personally. Could have used more comedy and less storylines but oh well.
Maybe I need to give it another shot but I thought BVS was the worst movie I've seen in the theater in at least 10 years . I am a big advocate of silence during a movie but I audibly said "Are you ******* kidding me?" several times during the movie.
 

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Maybe I need to give it another shot but I thought BVS was the worst movie I've seen in the theater in at least 10 years . I am a big advocate of silence during a movie but I audibly said "Are you ******* kidding me?" several times during the movie.

I didn't say anything, but there was no doubt you could probably see the disappointment seeping out of my skin. I was pretty deflated walking out, especially beings how I finally got my wife to see one of these type movies with me and it ended up being a dud. Wish I would have waited and taken her to Civil War instead.
 

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Maybe I need to give it another shot but I thought BVS was the worst movie I've seen in the theater in at least 10 years . I am a big advocate of silence during a movie but I audibly said "Are you ******* kidding me?" several times during the movie.
I guess everyone has a different opinion, but I thought these movies were far far worse.
X-Men Orgins
X-Men Last Stand
Fantastic Four (Debateable)
Fantastic Four Rise of Silver Surfer
Fantastic Four Reboot
Green Lantern
Superman Returns
Spiderman 3
Spiderman 2 (Reboot)
 
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