DC Extended Universe

[houjix]

If you liked Man of Steel you would not like this so that makes sense.

I liked Man of Steel, but I do think it fundamentally got Superman wrong in a way this one gets it right. That said, this is not a perfect movie. Personally I could have used a lot less Crypto and a lot less proton river.

My caveat is that I love Nicholas Hoult. He might be my favorite actor. I thought his Lex, Lois, and Clark were all perfectly cast.

Agreed.

Gunn was clearly inspired by the original films, which were incredibly light hearted and goofy, but he managed to vastly improve his Lex Luthor making him a more compelling villain. Snyder was creating a Superman that would fit seamlessly into a world one step adjacent to a Nolan Batman. I think DC projects as a whole work better when the differences between Batman and Superman are more stark.

One of the core Superman themes is the message of hope. I never felt hope from Man of Steel.

 

[Triggermv]

If you liked Man of Steel you would not like this so that makes sense.

I liked Man of Steel, but I do think it fundamentally got Superman wrong in a way this one gets it right. That said, this is not a perfect movie. Personally I could have used a lot less Crypto and a lot less proton river.

My caveat is that I love Nicholas Hoult. He might be my favorite actor. I thought his Lex, Lois, and Clark were all perfectly cast.

I agree with you on it all. This movie is a hard left turn from Man of Steel that I have a hard time coming to terms with. The proton river sequence was completely stupid and while at times I was digging Crypto, they just used him way too much. I feel like Crypto is one of those characters where the less you use him the more effective he is when you do.

 

[Triggermv]

Agreed.

Gunn was clearly inspired by the original films, which were incredibly light hearted and goofy, but he managed to vastly improve his Lex Luthor making him a more compelling villain. Snyder was creating a Superman that would fit seamlessly into a world one step adjacent to a Nolan Batman. I think DC projects as a whole work better when the differences between Batman and Superman are more stark.

One of the core Superman themes is the message of hope. I never felt hope from Man of Steel.

I agree with you both on the Hope thing, which is part of why I didn't like Batman vs Superman. To me, Man of Steel was the perfect setup to the hopeful Superman I think we were all wanting, but then Snyder instead did a hard right turn the complete opposite direction with Batman vs Superman. It was super frustrating for me. Then, due to how Batman vs Superman left Superman, we ended up only getting a miniscule glimpse of the Superman we were all wanting in Zack Snyder's Justice League, which was a movie I loved. However, even though I loved Zack Snyder's Justice League, his post credits scene didn't leave me optimistic again on that hopeful Henry Cavill Superman I waited all that time to see. Again, I'm very all over the board when it comes to Snyder's films and visions. I feel like I'm both a defender and heavy critic all at the same time.

 

[BryceC]

I agree with you both on the Hope thing, which is part of why I didn't like Batman vs Superman. To me, Man of Steel was the perfect setup to the hopeful Superman I think we were all wanting, but then Snyder instead did a hard right turn the complete opposite direction with Batman vs Superman. It was super frustrating for me. Then, due to how Batman vs Superman left Superman, we ended up only getting a miniscule glimpse of the Superman we were all wanting in Zack Snyder's Justice League, which was a movie I loved. However, even though I loved Zack Snyder's Justice League, his post credits scene didn't leave me optimistic again on that hopeful Henry Cavill Superman I waited all that time to see. Again, I'm very all over the board when it comes to Snyder's films and visions. I feel like I'm both a defender and heavy critic all at the same time.

Agreed. I think Cavill could have been an amazing Superman. Just never got there and I don’t blame him one bit.

 

[madguy30]

I was more annoyed with this Lex than anything and kept thinking 'that's all they could come up with?' for some of the side humor/one liners.

For whatever reason I didn't feel all that interested in this or Thunderbolts. May need to watch again some time to see if they grow on me.