Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

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bawbie

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Grocery workers near me have masks and plexiglass windows built around checkout. An employee or two is just disinfecting carts all day. They don't allow bringing your own bag like state laws used to encourage. I've been kind of blown away by it.

I really think mask guidelines are just as important to next phases as social distancing was initially.

Hy-Vee here has done all those things except masks. They installed plexiglass, wipe down the belt between customers, etc. But I've only seen one or two employees wearing masks.
 

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Yes but this is being spread from doing that on objects and others touching them and then touching their face. Unless I’m unaware this is not airborne. So if I go to the store and just don’t touch my face I should be fairly safe. If it was airborne I’d be on board.

Spread by objects at this point isn't even completely proven, they don't even know how likely it is. Healthy feeling people breathing, talking, sneezing or coughing is scientifically known to cause spread.

Wear a mask or don't be around anybody. Those are the two choices. A mask feels 1000000000x more liberating to me given the options.
 

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Yes but this is being spread from doing that on objects and others touching them and then touching their face. Unless I’m unaware this is not airborne. So if I go to the store and just don’t touch my face I should be fairly safe. If it was airborne I’d be on board.

The mask isn't to stop you from getting it - it's to stop you from spreading it - even if you don't know you are carrying the virus.
 

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Hy-Vee here has done all those things except masks. They installed plexiglass, wipe down the belt between customers, etc. But I've only seen one or two employees wearing masks.

That's odd and a little concerning. Masks should be easy compared to building plexiglass walls and paying people to disinfect.
 

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Spread by objects at this point isn't even completely proven, they don't even know how likely it is. Healthy feeling people breathing, talking, sneezing or coughing is scientifically known to cause spread.

Wear a mask or don't be around anybody. Those are the two choices. A mask feels 1000000000x more liberating to me given the options.
I think it's proven that it can live on surfaces for days, isn't it?
 

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Yes but this is being spread from doing that on objects and others touching them and then touching their face. Unless I’m unaware this is not airborne. So if I go to the store and just don’t touch my face I should be fairly safe. If it was airborne I’d be on board.


I read some reports that it is so fine that it can hang in the air for a decent amount of time. Such as someone walks by your mailbox (ours are on the curb and we have intown rural delivery) and coughs. You go out to get you mail a couple minutes later, it may still be hanging in the air and very slowly working down to the ground.

That is one of the big problems, there has been poor communication from all aspects on the details of this. One expert says this and one says that, Fauci hasn't even given good communication on the transmittal or other issues. His actions say that it can't be transmitted by the mailbox scenario I gave, so I am clueless.
 

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The mask isn't to stop you from getting it - it's to stop you from spreading it - even if you don't know you are carrying the virus.
Exactly, the masks are for others, not for you. Which I suppose is why it doesn't surprise me that more people aren't wearing them, because in general people tend to suck.
 

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Hy-Vee here has done all those things except masks. They installed plexiglass, wipe down the belt between customers, etc. But I've only seen one or two employees wearing masks.

I was just at the Edgewood Rd Hy-Vee yesterday and it did seem that 90% of the staff was wearing masks as opposed to last time I was there it was only 40-50%. It seems like people/management are slowly coming around to it.

I also saw a woman wearing a mask around her neck not covering her face. So who knows....
 
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I think it's proven that it can live on surfaces for days, isn't it?

Surviving on various surfaces is known. The likelihood of transmission off those surfaces is not. I could be wrong if someone has better info but the human to human spread is much more known.

I don't think it makes any sense at all to wipe down your house with Clorox and then go out in public with few wearing masks. I hope that's not the norm in Iowa.
 

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I'm just leaving a Costco in Kansas City. All employees are wearing masks. I'd say the customers are 80% masks. This is my first time in a store since HyVee 3 weeks back and at that point there were very few masks to be seen. Big improvements around here.
 
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I read some reports that it is so fine that it can hang in the air for a decent amount of time. Such as someone walks by your mailbox (ours are on the curb and we have intown rural delivery) and coughs. You go out to get you mail a couple minutes later, it may still be hanging in the air and very slowly working down to the ground.

That is one of the big problems, there has been poor communication from all aspects on the details of this. One expert says this and one says that, Fauci hasn't even given good communication on the transmittal or other issues. His actions say that it can't be transmitted by the mailbox scenario I gave, so I am clueless.

I think the science is that it lives on surfaces but they can't actually determine how likely it is to be transmitted on surfaces like mail. The truth is probably that there is some veryi miniscule chance of transmission by mail.

It's highly contagious in interpersonal contact and they can define the transmission rate much more clearly.

I'm not saying people shouldn't disinfect objects. But social distancing, wearing masks, and not touching your face are the most scientifically valid weapons we have now. If people stock piled 100 boxes of Clorox wipes and aren't wearing masks we need to change course.
 

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Brought to you by the folks that consistently overestimated this thing.
 

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Are they not receiving any coaching or advising. Reynolds introduces the head of the criminal justice division or whatever who starts her statement by saying "I am honored to be here today."
 

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I just don’t agree with this stance on a universal level. I’ve already said my reasons but I will repeat them. I’m significantly more confident in my ability to just not touch my face before washing my hands. I’m not confident in my ability to keep my hands away from my face.

I think it totally makes sense for people that don’t feel well. I also think that it makes sense in the future if people learn how to properly use them. I don’t think the general US population is capable of this at this time.

just wear a mask. You are not an expert. The experts say masks are good. I’m not sure why people oppose such minor things that might help.
 

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Relevant

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ersial-covid-19-strategy-is-proving-effective

"Sweden’s unusual approach to fighting the coronavirus pandemic is starting to yield results, according to the country’s top epidemiologist.

Anders Tegnell, the architect behind Sweden’s relatively relaxed response to Covid-19, told local media the latest figures on infection rates and fatalities indicate the situation is starting to stabilize.

“We’re on a sort of plateau,” Tegnell told Swedish news agency TT."
 

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Relevant

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ersial-covid-19-strategy-is-proving-effective

"Sweden’s unusual approach to fighting the coronavirus pandemic is starting to yield results, according to the country’s top epidemiologist.

Anders Tegnell, the architect behind Sweden’s relatively relaxed response to Covid-19, told local media the latest figures on infection rates and fatalities indicate the situation is starting to stabilize.

“We’re on a sort of plateau,” Tegnell told Swedish news agency TT."
Not really, this is the Iowa thread.
 

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Understood, but if you have it and are asymptomatic, then there's nothing you can do about it. As long as you are following the CDC's recommendations, you're doing the best you possibly can. I think with more antibody testing, we're going to find that the vast majority of people are basically uninfected by the virus. Which, in itself, is strange.

Right in general there's not much as far as social distancing goes. Keep your space, sanitize and limit travel. But I can't go visit high risk family unless I know if I've had it and there's strong enough evidence that I'm immune at least for a few months. And by my understanding, even if I got a diagnostic test, I could test negative, but if it's been incubating, I could be positive and contagious a few days later.

RE:infected by the virus and not knowing it, it makes you wonder how many viruses are always going around that we have no idea are there and we're infected by.
 

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I was just at the Edgewood Rd Hy-Vee yesterday and it did seem that 90% of the staff was wearing masks as opposed to last time I was there it was only 40-50%. It seems like people/management are slowly coming around to it.

I also saw a woman wearing a mask around her neck not covering her face. So who knows....

That's good - it's been a week since I've been to the store so maybe they've been emphasizing it more. Or maybe there's a difference store-to-store, I've been going to the Mt Vernon Rd Store.
 
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