Coaching Staff In The First Half

Stormin

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Verdon played, and what does your post have to do with the performance of the coaching staff in the first half?

Why did the team come out “flat” in a huge game? Why did the game plan yield zero points against a below average defense in our first six possessions?

You handed out more dumbs in October than I have in twenty years, yet you make excuses galore and add little other than to defend CMC like he’s your nephew.

While I agree Cooper is an excellent player, every team is missing important pieces at this time of year. KU is without the preseason Big XII Offensive Player of the Year. Evidently Lance Leipold is capable of readying backup players to fill important roles.

Yes he did. I specifically used and/or because if either one is out the defense suffers. Cooper was out. Bean played sensational.

We lost a game to a decent Kansas team. We needed to play better. We needed to coach better. Fair enough. Work on those things. Learn. Improve. Campbell will be here for as long as he probably wishes. CW said that up until the Kansas game he thought this might be Campbell’s best coaching job yet. Lance Leipold is doing a great job. Kansas is a good team.
 

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I remember in the first half, a KU receiver caught a pass and avoided being tackled till he was driven to the sideline, stepped out, then was taken down by an ISU player. A personal foul was called. If Noel was called out and the whistle blew at the 30, why did a KU player tackle him inside the 5? Isn't that a purely defined late hit, because I am sure it took a couple seconds for both players to run 25 yards. That and the pass play that was a fumble and a few other calls sure seemed like the officials were very one-sided.
 

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Campbell said we were a ”hair off” on a couple of opportunities. He talks about precision and margins and makes stupid coaching decisions every game. Guy needs to man up and say he is the part of the problem. One of the worst game time coaches. Just pathetic.
Now it's precision in the margins? It was hard enough to win in the margins ... now weve got to be precisionary in them. The man has all the speak down but not the in game coaching.
 

swiacy

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This team has improved and is making mistakes that will happen when inexperience fills a lot of the positions. The loss of a first round rush end and MJ Anderson shows how hard it is to produce pressure with only 3 linemen. Leipold is a proven elite coach. I hope when KF rides off that Lance doesn’t end up in Iowa City. Put him somewhere that has historically been solid defensively and with his offense, that could be special. Gundy, Kleiman & Leipold are the best coaches in the conference.
 

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Running the ball on KU was the right game plan. We just should.of adjusted when it wasn't working.
KU was using the same plan that Ohio, and virtually everyone else at the beginning of the year was running. 8-9 man box and just man the outside guys and dare ISU to throw. Even when they did throw, it was a screen or a 7 yard out, which is easy to cover and get too, even if you are in a 9 man front. Really need to start taking shots with Higgins on 1st and 2nd downs to start backing the safeties out of the box. The 7 yard out is just a pick 6 waiting to happen.
 

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It’s far too common that our coaching staff calls bland, lifeless plays in the first half then finally gets creative in the second half. It’s cost us so many games over the years and I don’t understand why we keep doing this. This was a winnable game if our staff woke up before halftime.
The clock management at the end of the first half was really confusing again
 

NWICY

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Campbell said we were a ”hair off” on a couple of opportunities. He talks about precision and margins and makes stupid coaching decisions every game. Guy needs to man up and say he is the part of the problem. One of the worst game time coaches. Just pathetic.

His clock management is something I don't understand, but I don't get paid millions to do it.
 

NWICY

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Disagree. The struggles began when we went back to doing what we did when the OL struggled. Why they thought that returning to a vanilla approach on offense would work now - please don't tell me its because we have a true freshman starting at guard now -

is beyond me. We saw success when we played to our OL's strengths - some more wide zone, stretch plays, moving the pocket, passing on early downs, integrating some tempo albeit not a ton.


Last night in the first half we did - almost non of that.

Deciding to be run heavy against KU was the right game plan.

Deciding to go back to Iowa's game plan on how to run the ball was not. And that was the frustrating thing. Because it's like we forgot the lessons of weeks 1-3 and tried to think OK, we've had some success, now we can get back to trying to win 12-10.

And while I'm never going to root for Kansas against Iowa State - I have to admit, I am jealous.

Because man, their offense is fun to watch, And its not like they are lining up the elite talent there either, That last touchdown? That is a gem of a play call, and play design.

I can understand why there is excitement around the football program. That's my only gripe with CMC - he constantly talks about the way we have to win here. And while it is 100% true that we are more limited that OSU, Oklahoma, Texas, TCU, etc - in terms of pure $ and resources and recruiting foot print -

Kansas is too. K-State isn't a million miles better. But they seem to be more creative and aggressive about their approach where as we seem to be more conservative and cautious.

It is what it is. But the mini winning streak we had seemed to be born out of a decision to be a little more aggressive. Last night in part we lost because we came out flat, play cautious and conservative and they didn't.

I still think Campbell reigned Scheelhaus back in. Why he did that I have no idea. He hired him let him run the darn offense.
 

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I think we absolutely showed our youth last night, and especially our youthful inexperience. We got several really boneheaded penalties that killed us. I do think that there has been some great coaching from Campbell this year.

But last night was definitely the Bad Campbell, where he wouldn't even give us a chance to win with whatever the hell was going on with the offense and clock management. Dunno why he defaults to that sometimes but it is absolutely costing us wins.
 
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AuH2O

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Like the McCarney years, our starters are good players, but after injury to a key player (Jeremiah Cooper), the backup is not ready to play. #22 was out of position all night and KU was smart enough to pick on him over and over.
The depth is SO much better than the Mac or Rhoads eras.

In my opinion it’s less the depth being bad, and more that when probably the best player on your team, which I believe Cooper is out there are huge implications.
 

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I still think Campbell reigned Scheelhaus back in. Why he did that I have no idea. He hired him let him run the darn offense.
I think the thought was with a depleted secondary, we couldn't win a shoot out so shorten the game .

Which I get the concept but I also think then it means you have to almost perfect to win a short game and maximize every possession and this we clearly did not do
 

NWICY

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I think the thought was with a depleted secondary, we couldn't win a shoot out so shorten the game .

Which I get the concept but I also think then it means you have to almost perfect to win a short game and maximize every possession and this we clearly did not do

When you fall behind 14-0(?) You need to start putting points on the board. It was Iowa and Ohio all over again.
 

clonedude

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That was the Iowa game 2.0.

Awful gameplan that we stuck with way too long. Pick 6. No urgency in the second half down big.

We are down 21-3 with 20 minutes left in the game milking the clock. We leave no margin for error whatsoever doing that and it’s cost us twice.

But we didn’t give up…. so moral victory according to CycloneVet! Woohoo!

After thinking about this game longer…. I’ve concluded we just aren’t as good as KU, and the far better team won. They have the better players and coaches at this point.
 

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But we didn’t give up…. so moral victory according to CycloneVet! Woohoo!

After thinking about this game longer…. I’ve concluded we just aren’t as good as KU, and the far better team won. They have the better players and coaches at this point.

So then the game coaching was good since we lost by 7?!?!
 
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joefrog

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Because it’s someone who deep down wants Iowa State and Campbell to lose. They want to be right.
I want ISU to win.

But also know that, under pressure, Campbell will revert to true form and play Mt. Union style.

Which means ISU will probably lose against a quality opponent.

He's KF with a tougher schedule.

So, the new established floor is about 4 wins, and the ceiling is about 7 wins.

Many Cyclone fans think that is just amazing, so ain't nothing going to change.

They'll take solace in close losses.