Coaching Staff In The First Half

[stewart092284]

We put absolutely zero pressure on bean last night. He had all day. If we are only rushing 3 and dropping 8 into coverage how in the hell can there be wide open receivers all over the field? It's actually unbelievable how wide open some kansas players were last night. If we can't get ANY pressure and guys are wide open I'm struggling to see what we are trying to do out there on defense.

Honestly, I'm perfectly fine with the no pressure on Bean.

if I had to pick, I;d do the same thing.

Make Bean beat you with his arm.

Because if you've seen him run... trust me. You don't want that. You want him in the pocket and throwing the ball.
Problem was and is / without Cooper and Purchase, they had dudes wide a** open that even Bean couldn't miss.

It's also hard to get pressure when the QB has guys just streaking through the secondary.

Is Porter injured again? Because I thought he was #3 on the CB depth chart and he would have been big last night potentially.

 

[stewart092284]

In short, re: CMC the preaching of details etc. falls pretty flat often.

There were some good signs that they were sloppy last week and still beat Baylor but to come out almost worse was a problem.

Yes and no. I'm fine with preaching details. Those matter.

But the idea that you have to be conservative to win - is not true. We've proved that before. We did that on our win streak. IDK we fall back into that trap sometimes.

I mean hell, I'll always watch Iowa State football. Its what I know and love. But if we had Kansas' offense + Heacocks defense... IDK. I feel like that has special potential if we were as creative and aggressive on offense.


I'll take conservative and bowl games though, certainly better than not having them. And just live in my dream world.

 

[madguy30]

Yes and no. I'm fine with preaching details. Those matter.

But the idea that you have to be conservative to win - is not true. We've proved that before. We did that on our win streak. IDK we fall back into that trap sometimes.

I mean hell, I'll always watch Iowa State football. Its what I know and love. But if we had Kansas' offense + Heacocks defense... IDK. I feel like that has special potential if we were as creative and aggressive on offense.


I'll take conservative and bowl games though, certainly better than not having them. And just live in my dream world.

At a spot like ISU or KU you have to lean on one side or the other. KU chose offense while they're defense isn't great...although they play similarly there too....very active and with purpose. Their program really seems built on that: playing forward with a purpose.

ISU imo doesn't have that vibe and hasn't for a while even with the winning.

Preaching details is fine...but has ISU looked like a team/program that plays to the details?

 

[RagingCloner]

Honestly, I'm perfectly fine with the no pressure on Bean.

if I had to pick, I;d do the same thing.

Make Bean beat you with his arm.

Because if you've seen him run... trust me. You don't want that. You want him in the pocket and throwing the ball.
Problem was and is / without Cooper and Purchase, they had dudes wide a** open that even Bean couldn't miss.

It's also hard to get pressure when the QB has guys just streaking through the secondary.

Is Porter injured again? Because I thought he was #3 on the CB depth chart and he would have been big last night potentially.

He played. He was the one getting beat on more than one deep ball

 

[CycloneVet]

Not sure what plays you call for an offense where the line looks completely confused as to who they're supposed to block. They cleaned that up, but that was where the struggles began IMO

The touchdown plays of course. It’s weird when the staff coaches their team with their adjustments during the game people wonder why they didn’t start that way. The level of incompetence on this board is hilarious to me.
Another one is why don’t we try misdirection? Well you have to set up the direction at least a little bit before you try misdirection.

Clonedude in his infinite wisdom is hopeful that Matt Campbell is embarrassed by that performance. The performance where the team didn’t quit despite getting outplayed the first half. Despite an absolute killer of a call on a kick return. Despite nothing going our way at all. Yet we had a look at it towards the end. Tons to be embarrassed about there.

 

[jsb]

Honestly it felt like we lost by about 20 last night. So maybe good coaching is what kept us in the game

It can be a combination of a lot of things.....bad execution on the players part, part coaching, part the other team really being on (that ******* QB won't have another game like that without a mistake).

There is a certain segment of this fanbase that is only going to be satisfied when they get a pound of flesh from the coaches.

 

[trevn]

Credit where it’s due, Bean had a few throws last night that were incredible and their receivers made plays.

 

[cymac2408]

We put absolutely zero pressure on bean last night. He had all day. If we are only rushing 3 and dropping 8 into coverage how in the hell can there be wide open receivers all over the field? It's actually unbelievable how wide open some kansas players were last night. If we can't get ANY pressure and guys are wide open I'm struggling to see what we are trying to do out there on defense.

AND especially getting beat deep with 8 man coverage.

 

[joefrog]

Honestly, I'm perfectly fine with the no pressure on Bean.

if I had to pick, I;d do the same thing.

Make Bean beat you with his arm.

Because if you've seen him run... trust me. You don't want that. You want him in the pocket and throwing the ball.
Problem was and is / without Cooper and Purchase, they had dudes wide a** open that even Bean couldn't miss.

It's also hard to get pressure when the QB has guys just streaking through the secondary.

Is Porter injured again? Because I thought he was #3 on the CB depth chart and he would have been big last night potentially.

So with a depleted secondary, you think the smart thing to do is, what, put MORE pressure on them?

Make them cover for longer?

Against a QB that has shown he gets rattled?

Yeah, he can run. But he can also make huge mistakes and turn the ball over.

ISU got completely outcoached in the first half.

Old Mt. Union Matty just stick with it though. Gotta execute!

LOL.

 

[joefrog]

The touchdown plays of course. It’s weird when the staff coaches their team with their adjustments during the game people wonder why they didn’t start that way. The level of incompetence on this board is hilarious to me.
Another one is why don’t we try misdirection? Well you have to set up the direction at least a little bit before you try misdirection.

Clonedude in his infinite wisdom is hopeful that Matt Campbell is embarrassed by that performance. The performance where the team didn’t quit despite getting outplayed the first half. Despite an absolute killer of a call on a kick return. Despite nothing going our way at all. Yet we had a look at it towards the end. Tons to be embarrassed about there.

Dude, Campbell and his inept coaching/stubbornness is why we were down so much in the first place.

He gets routinely outcoached lately, and for the same exact reasons.

Going on at least 3 seasons now.

 

[WIB]

That was the Iowa game 2.0.

Awful gameplan that we stuck with way too long. Pick 6. No urgency in the second half down big.

We are down 21-3 with 20 minutes left in the game milking the clock. We leave no margin for error whatsoever doing that and it’s cost us twice.

 

[jdoggivjc]

They run lots of play action/option, and our safeties (and linebackers) bit on almost everything. Absolutely painful to watch.

And even with 8 defenders dropping, you can’t ask even that many to cover receivers for 8-10 seconds. The QB and receivers will eventually find the openings if given that long, even with that many defenders back. Same reason why in general prevent defenses don’t work.

 

[stewart092284]

So with a depleted secondary, you think the smart thing to do is, what, put MORE pressure on them?

Make them cover for longer?

Against a QB that has shown he gets rattled?

Yeah, he can run. But he can also make huge mistakes and turn the ball over.

He makes mistakes THROWING the ball. Not running.

Gee, maybe IDK, doing something the defense is not good at just to pressure a quarterback is maybe not a good idea. IDK. That might be a possibility.

 

[madguy30]

Honestly, I'm perfectly fine with the no pressure on Bean.

if I had to pick, I;d do the same thing.

Make Bean beat you with his arm.

Because if you've seen him run... trust me. You don't want that. You want him in the pocket and throwing the ball.
Problem was and is / without Cooper and Purchase, they had dudes wide a** open that even Bean couldn't miss.

It's also hard to get pressure when the QB has guys just streaking through the secondary.

Is Porter injured again? Because I thought he was #3 on the CB depth chart and he would have been big last night potentially.

I might have preferred pressuring him and throw his rhythm off and give up the runs since that keeps KU from striking quickly.

Especially with a new safety out there; leaving Thompson on an island wasn't helping him.

 

[stewart092284]

I might have preferred pressuring him and throw his rhythm off and give up the runs since that keeps KU from striking quickly.

Especially with a new safety out there; leaving Thompson on an island wasn't helping him.

You realize bringing pressure leaves MORE people on an island. We were struggling to cover already. Plus, unless you are great at blitzing, it opens up the chance of the blitz getting picked up and therefore, leaving more defenders in one on one situations and with a depleted secondary and a LB core that is not exactly, ahem, speedy, its a bad combination.

 

[madguy30]

You realize bringing pressure leaves MORE people on an island. We were struggling to cover already. Plus, unless you are great at blitzing, it opens up the chance of the blitz getting picked up and therefore, leaving more defenders in one on one situations and with a depleted secondary and a LB core that is not exactly, ahem, speedy, its a bad combination.

Yes I realize that. You have to pick your poison.

If you bring different angles and make him at least have to step around a bit it might help.

He was patting the ball and getting hits to the third level so giving up the 2nd level at least contains things potentially.

If the plan was to give him less pressure but cover, ISU looked pretty badly prepared for it across the backend.

 

[BCClone]

Disagree. The struggles began when we went back to doing what we did when the OL struggled. Why they thought that returning to a vanilla approach on offense would work now - please don't tell me its because we have a true freshman starting at guard now -

is beyond me. We saw success when we played to our OL's strengths - some more wide zone, stretch plays, moving the pocket, passing on early downs, integrating some tempo albeit not a ton.


Last night in the first half we did - almost non of that.

Deciding to be run heavy against KU was the right game plan.

Deciding to go back to Iowa's game plan on how to run the ball was not. And that was the frustrating thing. Because it's like we forgot the lessons of weeks 1-3 and tried to think OK, we've had some success, now we can get back to trying to win 12-10.

And while I'm never going to root for Kansas against Iowa State - I have to admit, I am jealous.

Because man, their offense is fun to watch, And its not like they are lining up the elite talent there either, That last touchdown? That is a gem of a play call, and play design.

I can understand why there is excitement around the football program. That's my only gripe with CMC - he constantly talks about the way we have to win here. And while it is 100% true that we are more limited that OSU, Oklahoma, Texas, TCU, etc - in terms of pure $ and resources and recruiting foot print -

Kansas is too. K-State isn't a million miles better. But they seem to be more creative and aggressive about their approach where as we seem to be more conservative and cautious.

It is what it is. But the mini winning streak we had seemed to be born out of a decision to be a little more aggressive. Last night in part we lost because we came out flat, play cautious and conservative and they didn't.

Uuuhhhh….we are still zone blocking unlike hole blocking like the first 3 games. So I’m not seeing how we are doing the exact same things as before. Our line was the problem. Some went upfield too soon and allowed defenders clean shots at the back.

 

[CyCrazy]

They sucked /end thread.

 

[Stormin]

Bottom line is that our defense is not that good when Verdon and/or Cooper are not playing. We are thin on depth at safety.

 

[AlCyJim]

Why not hurry up to the line to get the play off before they reviewed Rocco's first down run? Why not try a 55 yard field goal instead of punting? Why wait 30 seconds before calling timeout before KU misses a field goal? The coaching mismanagement cost us points.

they did get to the line and run the play and after it was over the officials said that it had been blown dead for a review and the play had been run .