Clyburn offer?

CloneIce

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I agree with this assesment, however I suspect we will be a better as a team next year if one or both of them leaves. (emphasis on team)

I've heard that same statement about Stinson, Taylor, Wes Johnson....

In this case you might be correct though, because we have a 2-10 conference record, and its pretty hard not to do better than that by default.
 

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Panic mode? I dont think this turns out well.

McDermott's JUCO's have been serviceable at best minus Gilstrap.

I know Taylor doesn't really count since he got the boot, but he was more than serviceable.

I don't agree at all with trying to label Phillips and Clyburn as "panic mode". The 1st class with less than a month to sign guys would fit the panic description. Gilstrap would be an unplanned addition triggered by WJ bolting in May. There was a void for what should have been WJ's 3rd year, but at least MG filled some of the void for what should have been the 4th year.

In the case of Phillips and Clyburn, the staff has been following their careers for some time so the panic tag just doesn't fit.
 

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Dedrick Willoughbe (SP) and Kelvin Cato were panick mode. Floyd admitted that when he recruited them. He said we had to get somebody so the Iowa State fans would not panick.
So I guess that panick mode is not bad sometimes.
Also Mike Taylor was more than servicable. He played for Clippers for a while. Granted the CLippers suck and he is not in the NBA any longer. He was pretty good.
 

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At this point, could it really get any worse? Maybe it would be a good thing to get some new players in here.

Nope, it really cannot get much worse. My statement about stability was in regards to the argument that we need to keep GMAC around for stability when actually we replace a large portion of our roster a year. Usually the part of the roster we replace is the good part...

Anyways, it might be fun to watch ISU play MCC in a game. They are probably pretty comparable at the moment with Phillips and Clyburn.
 

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Dedrick Willoughbe (SP) and Kelvin Cato were panick mode. Floyd admitted that when he recruited them. He said we had to get somebody so the Iowa State fans would not panick.
So I guess that panick mode is not bad sometimes.
Also Mike Taylor was more than servicable. He played for Clippers for a while. Granted the CLippers suck and he is not in the NBA any longer. He was pretty good.

Dedric and Cato were players who followed TF from D1 programs (New Orleans and South Alabama respectively). This is an entirely different situation.
 

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I don't agree at all with trying to label Phillips and Clyburn as "panic mode". The 1st class with less than a month to sign guys would fit the panic description. Gilstrap would be an unplanned addition triggered by WJ bolting in May. There was a void for what should have been WJ's 3rd year, but at least MG filled some of the void for what should have been the 4th year.

In the case of Phillips and Clyburn, the staff has been following their careers for some time so the panic tag just doesn't fit.

Clyburn is 6'6 185lbs plays the 3...size strikes me a not very big for a 3 in the BIG XII almost sounds like a tweener 2/3, which if you put him at the 2 you now have: Colvin, Garrett, Buckly, Christopherson.

Phillips is a guard now add him with the list above. Sounds to me that we taking guys we know we can get rather than getting what we need, which is a solid 3 point shooter which Clyburn might be...but then why take the risk on Phillips if we still need a small foward and if Brackins leaves a power forward.
 

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Clyburn is 6'6 185lbs plays the 3...size strikes me a not very big for a 3 in the BIG XII almost sounds like a tweener 2/3, which if you put him at the 2 you now have: Colvin, Garrett, Buckly, Christopherson.

Phillips is a guard now add him with the list above. Sounds to me that we taking guys we know we can get rather than getting what we need, which is a solid 3 point shooter which Clyburn might be...but then why take the risk on Phillips if we still need a small foward and if Brackins leaves a power forward.

I think Clyburn is shooting around 28% from 3 point range right now.
 

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Phillips is a guard now add him with the list above. Sounds to me that we taking guys we know we can get rather than getting what we need...
I thought the general consensus on CF was that we have a need for better play everywhere...which would make every position a position of need.
 

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So with Phillips and possibly Clyburn in the lineup, we should expect another year of talented players who have no continuity.
 

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Clyburn is 6'6 185lbs plays the 3...size strikes me a not very big for a 3 in the BIG XII almost sounds like a tweener 2/3, which if you put him at the 2 you now have: Colvin, Garrett, Buckly, Christopherson.

Phillips is a guard now add him with the list above. Sounds to me that we taking guys we know we can get rather than getting what we need, which is a solid 3 point shooter which Clyburn might be...but then why take the risk on Phillips if we still need a small foward and if Brackins leaves a power forward.
You dont really know what you're talking about.... Clyburn is not a guard. He's a wing. I group us like this

Guards: DG, Phillips, Scotty, Buck, Chris, Bubu
Wings: Clyburn, Ejim, Booze... Will Oliver stick around?
Bigs: Ham, JVB, Railey, Dendy... Wilkins possibly?

Thats looks like a pretty good setup to me.

And we arent "taking a risk" on Phillips considering he is better at creating offense than any of the other guards we have right now. He'll start IMO.
 

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You dont really know what you're talking about.... Clyburn is not a guard. He's a wing. I group us like this

Guards: DG, Phillips, Scotty, Buck, Chris, Bubu
Wings: Clyburn, Ejim, Booze... Will Oliver stick around?
Bigs: Ham, JVB, Railey, Dendy... Wilkins possibly?

Thats looks like a pretty good setup to me.

And we arent "taking a risk" on Phillips considering he is better at creating offense than any of the other guards we have right now. He'll start IMO.

That team will not win 7 or more Big 12 games. They would be lucky to win 5-6 in conference. Of course they could go cupcake city in non-conference, but who really cares after that...
 

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You dont really know what you're talking about.... Clyburn is not a guard. He's a wing. I group us like this

Guards: DG, Phillips, Scotty, Buck, Chris, Bubu
Wings: Clyburn, Ejim, Booze... Will Oliver stick around?
Bigs: Ham, JVB, Railey, Dendy... Wilkins possibly?

Thats looks like a pretty good setup to me.

And we arent "taking a risk" on Phillips considering he is better at creating offense than any of the other guards we have right now. He'll start IMO.

I'd like to go ahead and lock in that lineup please.
 

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That team will not win 7 or more Big 12 games. They would be lucky to win 5-6 in conference. Of course they could go cupcake city in non-conference, but who really cares after that...

And yet that would double the output we are looking at right now.
 

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You dont really know what you're talking about.... Clyburn is not a guard. He's a wing. I group us like this

Guards: DG, Phillips, Scotty, Buck, Chris, Bubu
Wings: Clyburn, Ejim, Booze... Will Oliver stick around?
Bigs: Ham, JVB, Railey, Dendy... Wilkins possibly?

Thats looks like a pretty good setup to me.

And we arent "taking a risk" on Phillips considering he is better at creating offense than any of the other guards we have right now. He'll start IMO.

Wha?

We have ZERO experience coming in at Wing and besides Ejim no size and he's a freshman, Boozer is a guard. I dont think Ejim can make the big jump and I dont think that Clyburn can make an impact next year at the 3. He's 6-6 185 he's going to be a liability on the defense side.

Colvin/DG can run the point...bringing Phillips adds one more year of inconsistency, the point guard spot has not been stable since Mac got here. I just dont think bringing in another PG will solve the problem.

IMO this is a risky couple of JUCO's I hope I'm wrong.
 

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Wha?

We have ZERO experience coming in at Wing and besides Ejim no size and he's a freshman, Boozer is a guard. I dont think Ejim can make the big jump and I dont think that Clyburn can make an impact next year at the 3. He's 6-6 185 he's going to be a liability on the defense side.

Colvin/DG can run the point...bringing Phillips adds one more year of inconsistency, the point guard spot has not been stable since Mac got here. I just dont think bringing in another PG will solve the problem.

IMO this is a risky couple of JUCO's I hope I'm wrong.
Obviously Will needs to add muscle, but defensively he is already a ton better than Strap. A ton. He guarded two of SCC's players, one of whom has a shot at high major, and shut them down, one in each half. He always guard the other teams best players, adn understand positioning, etc. much better than Strap.
 

cyismydog

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Wha?

We have ZERO experience coming in at Wing and besides Ejim no size and he's a freshman, Boozer is a guard. I dont think Ejim can make the big jump and I dont think that Clyburn can make an impact next year at the 3. He's 6-6 185 he's going to be a liability on the defense side.

Colvin/DG can run the point...bringing Phillips adds one more year of inconsistency, the point guard spot has not been stable since Mac got here. I just dont think bringing in another PG will solve the problem.

IMO this is a risky couple of JUCO's I hope I'm wrong.

As far as Phillips, he's not really risky. He didn't have good grades his freshman and sophomore years, but was an honor role student by his junior and senior years. He is better than any guard we currently have on the roster, and also brings toughness, tenacity and heart.
 

Steve

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Wha?

We have ZERO experience coming in at Wing and besides Ejim no size and he's a freshman, Boozer is a guard. I dont think Ejim can make the big jump and I dont think that Clyburn can make an impact next year at the 3. He's 6-6 185 he's going to be a liability on the defense side.

Colvin/DG can run the point...bringing Phillips adds one more year of inconsistency, the point guard spot has not been stable since Mac got here. I just dont think bringing in another PG will solve the problem.

IMO this is a risky couple of JUCO's I hope I'm wrong.

I don't understand the reasoning for the bolded statement. Is the concern being too big or too small? Roughly half the teams go big at the 3 position while half go with a 3 guard lineup. Anyone who is too big or too small will have matchup problems. Clyburn appears to be a guy in the middle who potentially could defend either a big or a small 3 position player.