Cincinnati and Memphis to the Big 12?

[Cy$]

Lets see...

Two schools that will make us appear less sucky at football

Two schools that will improve basketball in the Big 12 conference, which is already considered a top 2 conference

BRING EM ON

Add Uconn and Memphis both suck at football and good at bball

Memphis sucks at basketball now under Pastner. He's a glorified Dave Rice.

 

[HFCS]

Man, we really screwed the pooch on conference expansion. Unfortunately we were force to be reactionary. In an ideal world, we would have added WVU and Louisville. We were caught in a moment of panic and added TCU instead.

Louisville was begging the B12 but their conference and scheduling put up more of an issue than TCU.

If TCU and Baylor can become top 10 football programs at the same time in UT and A&M's backyard by being in a major football conference, I still think Tulane is being overlooked.

 

[Rabbuk]

Cincy is better than us in attractiveness...Memphis idk.

 

[roundball]

No one gives a rats *** about Memphis or Cincy (or ISU or KU) either!

Either way, we're picking at scraps. Period. We can all agree we ****ed up the first time around. I am perfectly content with what we are now.

It's about potential...Memphis and Cincy are more likely (and willing) to pump resources into building a good football program than Army or Navy, which are small, geographically undesirable, and have strict admissions standards.

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

Louisville was begging the B12 but their conference and scheduling put up more of an issue than TCU.

If TCU and Baylor can become top 10 football programs at the same time in UT and A&M's backyard by being in a major football conference, I still think Tulane is being overlooked.

Tulane? Like New Orleans? That one would be fun if it ever worked but damn I doubt that.

 

[ISUKyro]

If we ever want to elevate our program, we need divisions.

In terms of ISU football I think you are 100% correct.
While it is a cool concept to play everyone in the conference I know I sure miss the days were we could dodge some of the heavy hitters every now and again.

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

It's about potential...Memphis and Cincy are more likely (and willing) to pump resources into building a good football program than Army or Navy, which are small, geographically undesirable, and have strict admissions standards.

Why even pull in projects in the first place? Why not stay the same then? Or better yet, pick off P5 teams?

I think we are eventually going to 4 conferences and we're gonna have to be aggressive in breaking up the ACC or else the Big 12 is gone and ISU is going to be a shell.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

gimme BYU. The Big 12 would have Mormons, Baptists, and Christians. We would be missing the Methodists from SMU but 3 out of 4 is pretty good.

Also, if the Big 12 did add Cincy Tommy. Tuberville would be back in the Big 12 after leaving TT.

I would also take Cincy.

The problem I have with BYU is if they dictate Monday through Saturday play only. They nearly bollixed the whole NCAA bracket a few years back. While I respect their adherence to the Sabbath, I don't respect the idea that they could impose it on the rest of the members of a conference with which they have a strictly secular association.

If they backed off that demand, wouldn't mind adding them.

 

[CyFan61]

Hell, merging with the ACC makes more sense than adding cinci and memphis.

24 team conference. 4 divisions of 6 teams. Play your division's 5 + 1 from each of the other divisions (8 total). Division winners play in a conference semifinal round and then a conference championship.

 

[GWad]

bs - This is stuff thrown at a wall - it won't stick

 

[jbhtexas]

Once the playoff moves to 8, and it will especially with one of the P5 Champs guaranteed out and only 1 SEC SEC SEC team, the CCG won't matter.

If this happens and we go back to a North of ISU, WVU, KSU, KU, Cinci, Memphis and South of OU, OSU, UT, TCU, TT, BU? Thanks but I'll pass.

Agreed. And if this expansion did happen, there is likely no way that the south teams are going to agree to be organized into a weak north / meatgrinder south arrangement as before. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see OU/UT and BU/TCU in opposite divisions.

 

[Wesley]

If the CCG is such a big concern, don't you think Bowsbly would be lobbying for a change to the rules to allow 10-team conference to also have one before making the knee-jerk reaction of adding two crappy schools?

Fact: The Big 12 is not concerned about their lack of a conference championship game. Thus far, they have no reason to be.

"Bob, you guys had a chance to add teams and you sat on your money. Tough darts. No conference championship game for a ten team league, true champ or not"

 

[megamanxzero35]

I'd show FSU and Clemson how football in the ACC will keep them out most years. That should help them come.

 

[dunar]

Man, we really screwed the pooch on conference expansion. Unfortunately we were force to be reactionary. In an ideal world, we would have added WVU and Louisville. We were caught in a moment of panic and added TCU instead.

IIRC, we added TCU when aTm split, and then knowing that Mizzou was on the way out, lined up WVU. There was some politicking on by Louisville to get in instead of WVU. For some reason, the conference insisted on staying at 10 teams, should have grabbed both and figured out a schedule to accommodate 11 teams. Problem there was likely that we'd already switched to the 9 game conference schedule, giving the networks 45 conference games - you can't go back to 8 game schedule for 11 teams, effectively loosing 2 games from inventory for TV.

Anyway, I seem to also remember a couple of related rumors:
Memphis has a donor (FedEx? Papa John's?) that is willing to kick in a bunch of money to get them into a better conference
Cincinnati was told to upgrade their facilities by at least one Power5 to get serious consideration.
What's the Dude got to say? MHver3? Tuxedo Yoda?

Expansion is all about the bottom line. Expansion will happen when the Big 12 is locked out of the playoff because of no title game and has exhausted every effort to get a title game with less than 12 teams (isn't this getting talked about again, that the conferences are petitioning the NCAA for a change to that rule?)

 

[CyFan61]

That... that would actually work...

For basketball, the nation's first-ever 23-game conference schedule. Play everybody. Duke, UNC, Syracuse coming to Hilton every other year. The new ACC/Big 12 conference tips off their conference slate on Christmas; it's a new tradition.

 

[Thompsonclone]

I know basketball has nothing to do with expansion but I hope that when they do expand, the teams they add aren't automatic wins in the Big 12. If they aren't good teams, I'd rather play every team twice.

 

[clone52]

http://www.espn929.com/pages/20457311.php

According to a radio host in Nashville, the Big 12 is going to add two teams in the offseason: Cincinnati and Memphis. The theory is that the Big 12 will be penalized most years by not having a conference championship game by the playoff committee.

That is putting the cart before the horse. If OSU and TCU win, no objective analysis could say that OSU is more deserving than TCU. If Baylor also wins, a close analysis of Baylor and OSU would put Baylor ahead of OSU as well. Baylor would have beated #3, #9 and #20. OSU would have beaten #8 #13 and Minnesota. Baylor's loss was a better loss than OSU. Sure, Baylor's non-con schedule was cream puffier than OSUs, but no way that can be a deciding factor.

If Baylor, OSU and TCU all win and the committe puts OSU ahead of those 2, then the committe is full of **** and the Big 12 probably does need a championship game. If it all plays out like it should with the order finishing TCU, Baylor and OSU, then no need to panic. The system would have worked in this case.

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

For basketball, the nation's first-ever 23-game conference schedule. Play everybody. Duke, UNC, Syracuse coming to Hilton every other year. The new ACC/Big 12 conference tips off their conference slate on Christmas; it's a new tradition.

 

[brianhos]

Copying an earlier post of mine below.

Why do people think this?

The Big 12 is the only conference that has a reasonable shot at getting two teams in the playoff. That is only possible because they don't have a championship game.

Consider the following two scenarios:

1) Baylor and TCU are in the same division. Baylor would be playing K-State in the B12 Championship Game this Saturday, while TCU would be staying home. TCU would absolutely get left out at 11-1 behind a 12-1 Baylor who is Big 12 Champion, assuming Baylor beats a good K-State team twice. There's a chance K-State wins one of those and knocks them out, too.

2) Baylor and TCU are in different divisions. For obvious reasons, one of them would get left out by virtue of losing on the last weekend in the Championship Game to the other.

The only way that the Big 12 gets two in this year would precisely be because of the lack of a championship game. It's not hurting the conference at all. It might even be helping.

Let's look at the other conferences:

SEC - likely unaffected by championship game (Alabama in either way, Mizzou out either way)
Pac-12 - mixed results, but more bad than good (Oregon in with win and out with loss; Arizona maybe in with win and out with loss.)
ACC - all bad (FSU in with win and out with loss, GaTech out either way)
B1G - better than not (OSU maybe in with win)

So the existence of a championship game this season is certainly harmful for one conference (ACC) and potentially harmful for another (Pac-12), while being only potentially helpful for one (B1G).​

Wait till sunday when the big12 gets passed over for the playoff. You know it is coming.

 

[TykeClone]

If the CCG is such a big concern, don't you think Bowsbly would be lobbying for a change to the rules to allow 10-team conference to also have one before making the knee-jerk reaction of adding two crappy schools?

Fact: The Big 12 is not concerned about their lack of a conference championship game. Thus far, they have no reason to be.

It will be a concern for the Big IIXII when OU or Texas are left our of the playoffs because we don't have a championship game.