We shouldn't be comparing directly against each other but rather against their respective landscapes at the time .
Are we better off?
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First, you cannot compare DMs first 5 years with CPRs. DM took over a program that was one of cfball worst programs of all time, yes all time, it was that bad. A few years prior to DMs arrival we lost to Drake folks, Drake.
Second, DMs 2000 and 2001 team would beat any team CPR has fielded, game wouldn't even be close.
Is ISU far more competitive in Every single game, absolutely, but are those same teams as good as they were 10-15 years ago? Take the Texas, OU and Nebraska teams 15 years ago and those teams are far better than today's.
Second, DMs 2000 and 2001 team would beat any team CPR has fielded, game wouldn't even be close.
Is ISU far more competitive in Every single game, absolutely, but are those same teams as good as they were 10-15 years ago? Take the Texas, OU and Nebraska teams 15 years ago and those teams are far better than today's.
These are from Sagarin's archives. Not sure they mean anything so take em for what their worth:
Mac from 2000-2006, average ranking 54th, average schedule ranking 36th
Chiz 2007-08, 103rd and 36th
Rhoads 2009-2012, 57th and 25th
This obviously doesn't include Mac's first five years. However, we were coming off three straight losing seasons when CPR took over. Mac's breakout was year 6....
Mac from 2000-2006, average ranking 54th, average schedule ranking 36th
Chiz 2007-08, 103rd and 36th
Rhoads 2009-2012, 57th and 25th
This obviously doesn't include Mac's first five years. However, we were coming off three straight losing seasons when CPR took over. Mac's breakout was year 6....
Something to think about as you look back on the McCarney era...
CPR took over a program with a 10 game losing streak and had won 9 games in the previous 3 years combined.
Do you realize that in 2000 ISU went 9-3 and had only 2 wins over teams with a winning record UNLV (7 wins) and Pitt in the bowl game. The 3 loses were to Nebraska 49-27, Texas A&M 30-7, KSU 56-10, so beat some bad teams and blown out by the decent teams.
In the McCarney era the Big 12 North and much of the South was not good, and he only played OU and Texas every 2 years.
To be honest, I could probably make a case that CPR really hasn't either, or at least up to this point in his career.
Aside from all that the OP mentioned, TheCaptain's statement last Spring that the team had more athleticism on the roster, top to bottom, than he had ever seen is another indication that we're better off--and that was before most of the current freshmen reported. . Mac had some good players, but never any actual depth.
CPR's talent just need maturity and experience.
CPR's talent just need maturity and experience.
Sorry, he has played but I would question how significant his minutes were. The point, which I think you understood, is that this was a game 5 freshman who rang us up because of the system they run.
Never said it would be easy to find an OC who can keep up in the Big 12. The question remains, is the OC that we have going to able to compete in this league?
It is hard for me to see much positive in that assessment at this point, when we are looking at the schedule trying to figure out how to get to 3-9. One of the key excuses I keep hearing is that we have been dinged up on the o-line. Well, it we finally have some depth, then why does our entire offense grind to a halt after a couple guys go down?
Great, we have a lot of young athletes on the roster. Until you can turn them into good players and meld them into a good team, that doesn't get you anything but losing seasons.
We are definitely better off - from facility, depth, etc. However a lot of program are also better off, which creating a lot of competitions. I don't think Boise State, Northern Illinois, etc were prominent in early 2000s. You also now have FCS schools beating FBS schools these days.
What I am hoping to see is gradual improvements. Some posters said CPR hasn't been able to capitalize his success, but some recruits, given options to choose, might see things differently. Yes, we beat Nebraska in his first year but if I were a recruit, I would ask: is this a case where stars align perfectly or are they a good team? Same thing might happen the following years when we beat Okie State, Texas, TCU, etc. Until we can show that we can beat teams consistently, there will always be questions. It might be ridiculous but that's the game: chicken or egg first.
What I am hoping to see is gradual improvements. Some posters said CPR hasn't been able to capitalize his success, but some recruits, given options to choose, might see things differently. Yes, we beat Nebraska in his first year but if I were a recruit, I would ask: is this a case where stars align perfectly or are they a good team? Same thing might happen the following years when we beat Okie State, Texas, TCU, etc. Until we can show that we can beat teams consistently, there will always be questions. It might be ridiculous but that's the game: chicken or egg first.
Should we kill them or just beat them up, whats your definition of uncomfortable. Wow.
This team would have gone 3-1 against most non conference schedules of the 90's, and 3-5 at worst in the old north south schedule against those teams, so yes this team is better
I disagree, every time that 2000 team played someone, KSU, Nebby, and a mediocre A&M team they got smoked. Same in 2001.
I didn't read the whole thread. Heck, I barely skimmed through the OP. But yes, ISU is way better off than McCarney. McCarney got about as much as he could out of the program but couldn't get over the hump. The biggest difference, to me, is Rhoads' teams are competitive the whole season. McCarney? Not so much. I'm appreciative of what Mac did, but glad with ISU has.
I am not a McCarney fan but do you realize his first 7-8 years the power of the Big 12 lied in the North with Nebbie, Colorado and KSU.
At three conference wins year each of four years, it will take decades. Just noting....I am just glad we did not get booted to the MAC over the realignment crap.
Yes.
Seriously, those are the only two options you see?
How about you fill in the blank and quit being so weak. Take our own stadium, city, and state.
At some point, a fan base needs to ask if they are going to give as much as they ask from the athletes and coaches. I believe we are at that point and we can either go all in or not.
