Yikes those teams were bad. Far, far, far worse then what we are seeing this year.
Are we better off?
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Yikes those teams were bad. Far, far, far worse then what we are seeing this year.
After going through some of these games, and looking at the box scores, I realize that the only thing separating us from being one of those 2 teams is Wally Burnham's defense. Offensively we are about the same beast...or in this case, kitten.
Sorry, I'm pretty sure Kingsbury or Gundy are not going to quit their current jobs to be our OC.
Disagree. In 2003, we scored 71 points in the entire Big 12 season. That's 8.9 points per game. We've scored 65 points in the first 2 games of this season.
We scored 115 points in Big 12 play in 2006. Or 14.4 ppg.
Even though our offense is bad, its no where near as bad as it has been in the past.
Competitive in basically EVERY game. Full stadium. End of discussion. Your friend is not very smart.
I see what you're doing with the points, but I'm looking at statistics across the board. Up until Tech last week, I would agree that our offense is better than it was then. But we had RB's rushing for 100 yards a few times in each of those seasons. It is just as rare today for an RB to do that as it was in those 2 seasons. Also, Richardson had a season-low 168 passing yards. That's about where our QB's were at in those seasons as well (2003 was a bit worse than that). Hopefully he can avoid making that a habit, or at least avoid injury, in which case Rohach or Creekmur have to come in and put up Austin Flynn/Waye Terry type numbers.
First off, your comment about a freshman QB that has never played a game is wrong. He played significant minutes in TTU's previous games, this was just the first time he had started. Also, don't forget SR only has a few games more experience than the TTU QB and he has been playing hurt the whole time.
You sound like it should be easy to just go out and pick whoever we want and bring them to ISU. Obviously, it isn't that simple.
GO CYCLONES!!!
Better off, but still not where we need to be. Not even close.
i've heard all the excuses as to why. But it really starts with the fan base and boosters. We need to take a much more aggressive position on the roadblocks to our teams' success. That means replacing coaches quickly when they don't perform, going full bore after the best recruits, driving down all opposition (media, other fans, etc.). It should make everyone mad as heck to see EIU fans driving around in Ames and we should make life difficult for them. Whether you're in Ames or Des Moines or Council Bluffs or wherever, you should make sure EIU or Nebby fans know they aren't welcome.
The same definitely goes for our stadium. It should be extremely uncomfortable for any visiting team's fans to enjoy a game at JTS. Season ticket holders should never sell their tickets to the other teams fans. No matter whether you have to eat the cost yourself or not!
When the media is not giving us our due, then we should demand it. If it continues, cancel your subscription. Call them out!
if you go to a restaurant that favors a different team - go somewhere else!
For all of you that wish we were getting better results, start with yourself. Buy tickets and donate. More than that, adopt a different attitude. We can't compete with the Texas and Oklahoma crowd if we don't adopt a more aggressive posture. By the way, you can talk about freedom to go where you want and sell tickets to whom you want, but that's just a copout. Grow a pair and start standing up for the Cyclones!
i've heard all the excuses as to why. But it really starts with the fan base and boosters. We need to take a much more aggressive position on the roadblocks to our teams' success. That means replacing coaches quickly when they don't perform, going full bore after the best recruits, driving down all opposition (media, other fans, etc.). It should make everyone mad as heck to see EIU fans driving around in Ames and we should make life difficult for them. Whether you're in Ames or Des Moines or Council Bluffs or wherever, you should make sure EIU or Nebby fans know they aren't welcome.
The same definitely goes for our stadium. It should be extremely uncomfortable for any visiting team's fans to enjoy a game at JTS. Season ticket holders should never sell their tickets to the other teams fans. No matter whether you have to eat the cost yourself or not!
When the media is not giving us our due, then we should demand it. If it continues, cancel your subscription. Call them out!
if you go to a restaurant that favors a different team - go somewhere else!
For all of you that wish we were getting better results, start with yourself. Buy tickets and donate. More than that, adopt a different attitude. We can't compete with the Texas and Oklahoma crowd if we don't adopt a more aggressive posture. By the way, you can talk about freedom to go where you want and sell tickets to whom you want, but that's just a copout. Grow a pair and start standing up for the Cyclones!
Yes, we're better off than in the Mac years, but it's not by a huge margin from an appearance standpoint, that is Ws and Ls. When you look closely, I think we're clearly better off in a number of areas. I think we're getting more legit players, but the playing field is definitely tougher than what Mac ever faced. Fan support and booster support is miles better.
God love him but Mac had a discernably easier schedule, as has been noted, and really couldn't get over the hump. The Big12 North was there for the picking, in the palm of his hand in 2004 and 2005, and Mac choked time and time again. He had the chance to be the man to end the Pinkel era in its tracks in 2005 and he peed down his leg. That 2005 team should have won 10 games, but somehow only managed to win 7. It would have faced the Vince Young led Texas team in the Big12 championship, but it should have finished in the Top10 with at most two losses. Mac was a great guy to get us up from laughingstock status but he wasn't going to take us higher. He was a salesman whose customer base had bought the mediocre product and could see it was getting worse and were balking at buying more.
Facilities are much better, overall team speed is better. We haven't had QBs as good as Seneca, Sage and Meyer so far under Rhoads, but most other position groups have been as good or marginally better. I think the QB and WR spots have been sub-standard to our level competition, and RB only be average, so it's really put a damper on our production. WR is poised to really move beyond anything Mac had and the RB is arguably a push. However, I think the defense has been solid but not spectacular in the Nintendo-esque era of the Big12, probably a step above what Mac was putting out there, particularly in terms of athletically.
I think the coaching has been better on the defensive side and the offensively it's a push, given our well-documented woes under both Herman and now Messingham. Special teams is largely a push, with both being marginal (2011 and 2012 Kirby aside).
God love him but Mac had a discernably easier schedule, as has been noted, and really couldn't get over the hump. The Big12 North was there for the picking, in the palm of his hand in 2004 and 2005, and Mac choked time and time again. He had the chance to be the man to end the Pinkel era in its tracks in 2005 and he peed down his leg. That 2005 team should have won 10 games, but somehow only managed to win 7. It would have faced the Vince Young led Texas team in the Big12 championship, but it should have finished in the Top10 with at most two losses. Mac was a great guy to get us up from laughingstock status but he wasn't going to take us higher. He was a salesman whose customer base had bought the mediocre product and could see it was getting worse and were balking at buying more.
Facilities are much better, overall team speed is better. We haven't had QBs as good as Seneca, Sage and Meyer so far under Rhoads, but most other position groups have been as good or marginally better. I think the QB and WR spots have been sub-standard to our level competition, and RB only be average, so it's really put a damper on our production. WR is poised to really move beyond anything Mac had and the RB is arguably a push. However, I think the defense has been solid but not spectacular in the Nintendo-esque era of the Big12, probably a step above what Mac was putting out there, particularly in terms of athletically.
I think the coaching has been better on the defensive side and the offensively it's a push, given our well-documented woes under both Herman and now Messingham. Special teams is largely a push, with both being marginal (2011 and 2012 Kirby aside).
I think these comparisons are always difficult due to so many different variables. On paper, CPR looks better. But the climate was different when he took over (recent memory of success, etc).
Comparing players or coaches from different eras is difficult. Maybe Troy Davis WOULD win the Heisman now with out improved marketing department and every game on TV per our Big 12 contract and more "talking head" national shows?
Comparing players or coaches from different eras is difficult. Maybe Troy Davis WOULD win the Heisman now with out improved marketing department and every game on TV per our Big 12 contract and more "talking head" national shows?
Really dude? You take this waaaaaay too seriously. Are we supposed to spit on opposing fans that come to JTS? Beat them up? Turn over their cars in the parking lot? That would be a great reputation for ISU. Every recruit in the country would be beating down our doors. I'm sure nobody with ISU administration or it's true fans would endorse your viewpoint.
GO CYCLONES!!!
If someone has the free time, I wonder what the margin of defeat was for McCarney's teams versus those of Rhoads. It sure seems like the complete and utter beat-downs are fewer and farther in-between.
To me this is the key. I don't know whether Mac was just not able to recruit enough solid players or if he was afraid to try putting younger guys in to get experience (most likely a combination), but we were never able to build depth on his teams. Therefore we were always starting over. I believe we're much more stable now.
I see where you are going here but stats don't mean near as much as points. Give me the Alex Smith-type QB who manages a game and wins but doesn't put up huge numbers over someone like Phillip Rivers who throws for a bunch but his team doesn't win. Also, our defense has been pretty dang good for our position in the conference but they give up a bunch of yards.
I'll give you that our offense isn't very good. But we are a long ways ahead of where we were team-wise 8-10 years ago.
we are better off no question----that Bowl game was a clunker, embarassing really. McCarney lost games he should have won because of his conservative---let the defense win it attitude....McCarney took it as far as he was capable of ...he was what was needed at the time he was hired. We have so much more speed and better athletes since we have had since Earle Bruce. It has been that long.
I love that it's not even a question in the majority of your minds. I've been a season ticket holder since 1995, oh the horror! But you could do anything and watch a guy like Troy Davis. I have some great pics of our tailgate with NOBODY around us.
I never believed that we were losing faith in this coaching staff until this guy made that comment. The comment about, if Iowa and UNI game were wins, would we have an issue with how we performed in the last two games? Don't think so. Most of us have seen the improvement EVERY week, except maybe this week, yet we were in it with a pathetic offensive display.
See you guys on Oct. 26th!
I never believed that we were losing faith in this coaching staff until this guy made that comment. The comment about, if Iowa and UNI game were wins, would we have an issue with how we performed in the last two games? Don't think so. Most of us have seen the improvement EVERY week, except maybe this week, yet we were in it with a pathetic offensive display.
See you guys on Oct. 26th!
