*** Official #18 IOWA STATE vs Houston Game(Day) Thread ***

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Here's the penalty on Barrett (#61) in the 3rd that took away the score by Higgins. Lame way to lose an all-timer TD catch for sure but looks like the right call, strictly speaking.

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I couldn't find an exact definition of this rule.

"Ineligible Receivers Downfield

One of the most common penalties called in regard to eligible receivers is the "ineligible receiver downfield."
This rule is in place to prevent offensive linemen from going too far downfield to block before the actual throw.
You will see this penalty called most often on screen passes to running backs, when offensive linemen "release" from their pass-blocking stance to go downfield and try to block too soon.
The rule states that an ineligible receiver can't go outside of the neutral zone before a pass is thrown.
This means offensive linemen must stay within that neutral zone and can't "release" to block downfield on a passing play until the pass is actually released from the quarterback's hand.
When an ineligible receiver downfield penalty is called, it results in the offensive team losing five yards. Whatever play actually happened will be canceled out, and the offense will repeat the down."


So, what constitutes "the neutral zone" in this case? Obviously this is different than the 'neutral zone' on an off-sides call.
 
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I still remember that day (I was at work) watching the pregame show with Seneca wearing a Roman toga and all the Heisman hype … only to see Iowa State get absolutely destroyed in Norman.

6-1 (including the robbed FSU game) and riding high … ending the season 1-6 being outscored 275-125.

I’m not sure destroyed is adequately describing that game
 
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I couldn't find an exact definition of this rule.

"Ineligible Receivers Downfield

One of the most common penalties called in regard to eligible receivers is the "ineligible receiver downfield."
This rule is in place to prevent offensive linemen from going too far downfield to block before the actual throw.
You will see this penalty called most often on screen passes to running backs, when offensive linemen "release" from their pass-blocking stance to go downfield and try to block too soon.
The rule states that an ineligible receiver can't go outside of the neutral zone before a pass is thrown.
This means offensive linemen must stay within that neutral zone and can't "release" to block downfield on a passing play until the pass is actually released from the quarterback's hand.
When an ineligible receiver downfield penalty is called, it results in the offensive team losing five yards. Whatever play actually happened will be canceled out, and the offense will repeat the down."


So, what constitutes "the neutral zone" in this case? Obviously this is different than the 'neutral zone' on an off-sides call.
It’s 3 yards
 

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I agree but he also did much better just hitting the hole this game. If he can shed his propencity to turn a 2 yard gain into a 2 yard loss, he will be really good. Like a quarterback who refuses to throw the ball away he needs to just take what is there.
Did he? Seemed like most plays for him were sweeps or outside zone plays that were dead from the start. We should be running him right up the gut and then mixing in the outside stuff. I don't know why they keep trying to run outside. He does bounce things too quickly, but we're also running outside by design on his carries.
 

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I couldn't find an exact definition of this rule.

"Ineligible Receivers Downfield

One of the most common penalties called in regard to eligible receivers is the "ineligible receiver downfield."
This rule is in place to prevent offensive linemen from going too far downfield to block before the actual throw.
You will see this penalty called most often on screen passes to running backs, when offensive linemen "release" from their pass-blocking stance to go downfield and try to block too soon.
The rule states that an ineligible receiver can't go outside of the neutral zone before a pass is thrown.
This means offensive linemen must stay within that neutral zone and can't "release" to block downfield on a passing play until the pass is actually released from the quarterback's hand.
When an ineligible receiver downfield penalty is called, it results in the offensive team losing five yards. Whatever play actually happened will be canceled out, and the offense will repeat the down."


So, what constitutes "the neutral zone" in this case? Obviously this is different than the 'neutral zone' on an off-sides call.

I found some references to the neutral zone “expanding” up to three yards either side of the line of scrimmage once the ball is snapped.

Here’s the rule right out of the NCAA rule book. It refers to “three yards beyond the neutral zone,” which here means the ball-width neutral zone at the original line of scrimmage.

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The offense wasn't great, but again:
  • good UH defense
  • offense doesn't travel as well as defense
  • first long road trip for all

As underwhelming as most of that game felt, they won it. They played better as the game went on. Lots to learn from on tape.

This team played like a C/C+ overall, and won by 20, on the road. That's not terrible, not at all. But they will have to be better at WV, and at KU, etc.

And 90 degrees and presumably humid during the game.
 

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Also, while I understand and share the concerns about the slow offensive starts, if I was forced to choose between

a) starting hot and then blowing a lead and a game because the team fades in the second half

b) starting slow and then either extending or coming back to take a lead and then winning the game off that

I think b is the much more preferable of the two scenarios to be in. Again, it's not particularly great and may not be sustainable, but I'd much rather be a second half team than a first half team if the team wasn't at a level where they're playing four complete quarters consistently yet.
 

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Also, while I understand and share the concerns about the slow offensive starts, if I was forced to choose between

a) starting hot and then blowing a lead and a game because the team fades in the second half

b) starting slow and then either extending or coming back to take a lead and then winning the game off that

I think b is the much more preferable of the two scenarios to be in. Again, it's not particularly great and may not be sustainable, but I'd much rather be a second half team than a first half team if the team wasn't at a level where they're playing four complete quarters consistently yet.

That's interesting that you'd rather win than lose.
 

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Also, while I understand and share the concerns about the slow offensive starts, if I was forced to choose between

a) starting hot and then blowing a lead and a game because the team fades in the second half

b) starting slow and then either extending or coming back to take a lead and then winning the game off that

I think b is the much more preferable of the two scenarios to be in. Again, it's not particularly great and may not be sustainable, but I'd much rather be a second half team than a first half team if the team wasn't at a level where they're playing four complete quarters consistently yet.

ISU seemed to wear down both Iowa and Houston late.

I thought ISU started sharp on their first drive last night on offense but sputtered at the end.

Finish that, get a field goal or two before half and the mood is very different.

I like a clunky 'attention getter' type of win before Baylor comes to town for a reset.
 

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Had to listen to the game and am rewatching it now and that had to have been one of the worst 60 second stretches of football I’ve ever seen

Eh...I've seen much worse from ISU.

Heck just recently the '22 season was full of bad football including the win at Iowa.
 

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It's really strange how different each of our RBs are. But it's a good thing to have.

Take Sama's long TD run for example... I don't think Jackson scores on that. I could be wrong... but I don't think Jackson has the strength to break through those tackles like that.

But Jackson is so much better at finding holes that don't seem to be there than Sama or Hansen can.
We’re going to need depth at RB. Good to have different styles. Jackson has been impressive. He’s very quick and shifty at the line and second level. Appears Sama needs bigger holes to utilize his straight line speed. He tends to get bumped and tackled or tried to get tot he edge and teams are too quick.
 
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