I mean, I think Chris is reputable enough to not make **** like that up.
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I mean, I think Chris is reputable enough to not make **** like that up.
He mentioned on the Wednesday pod that several others nearby heard it. No formal proof like a video or audio, but witnesses
You are no different from the KSU fans believing Kurtz, Fitzgerald, or Tang.
Well, CW posted about it in real time, TJ said it happened, and there are even posters on K-States 247 site that say it happened. What more do you want? That is nothing like what K-State is doing. We all want to hear exactly who saw what with K-State and their coaching staff. Instead they refuse to address anything publicly and make vague accusations to their local media that gets picked up nationally. I don't think the two programs could be handling this situation any more differently. In short, you are very wrong.
Which of those people publicly stated “I saw Iowa State staff recording KSUs huddle”. Chris said he heard a KSU staffer yell at a manager. KSU “media” are reporting off 3rd hand accounts.
Here is the tweet reporting it in real time. It isn’t heresay unlike Tang’s claims.
This is pretty good! Jeff Goodman nails it. He says... every team knows what the other team runs. It's not a secret. This whole thing is ludicrous.
Sure. I guess I overstated that. But still think JP should make them sweat it a bit.
There’s a difference, ISUs accusations can be confirmed by corroborating eye witness testimony. Yes, I saw x say _____. I too saw x say _____.
KSUs allegations imply deeper knowledge of intent, usage and conspiracy. Merely seeing someone in the stands use their cell phone does not indicate any of those things.
It wouldn’t have been in the pre-approved statement that he read if there wasn’t at least a couple witnesses.
Um, not sure. Although my feelings about all three of these are similar, I don’t have to constantly listen to wildcat & bear fans walk up to me while I’m wearing my Cyclone gear and spout off to my face, “hey, how ‘bout them Hawkeyes”, or “go hawks!”, with that stupid knuckle-dragging look on their face!
You know that ^^ look, I’m sure some more talented CF’ers will be able to follow this up with some great photo examples! Right?
Goodman absolutely nails it here and saying what we’ve all been saying since it came out. Where is the proof? If you are going to make this serious of an allegation, there better be proof. Putting your “proof” behind a paywall isn’t proof.
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You use the conference, not your lawyers vs their lawyers.
This. I’m in PR. You do not say those things without 100% verification. And the isu sports info office is top tier.
I was at the game and didn't even notice it.
Anyone can shout senseless vulgarities. But stuff like this and clever chants is always more amusing and effective.
I'm assuming, behind the scenes, ISU watched video footage, got witiness statements, and maybe had coaches turn in phones or other electronic media. I'm also sure they talked to the student managers in question.
Arming yourself with evidence/truth, THEN coming with forceful rebuttals is always the way. From outside appearances Jamie/Otz/staff/players handled this very, very well.
I went and read some of the other message boards about Kansas states accusations. All other teams are on our side and think Kansas State is a joke. The only fans that think something happened were the k state fans. So they are looking pretty stupid.
There is a reason they took a few days to respond. Plus waiting until after the Kansas game gives this plenty of time to blow over and not be a distraction for us since our next game isn't until next Saturday.
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So lets recap the week for them:
Under 8 left in the 2nd half, close game and they had the momentum. Instead of riding that momentum for a win, Tang decided to throw a rock at a hornets nest and get Hilton riled up. They lose and proceed to get their ass kicked by Houston and become the joke among other fanbases with their conspiracy theories. Meanwhile Iowa State beats them and beats Kansas.
Good times.
Completely different scenario here. Chris reported on a specific instance, with detail, as it happened, before any of this blew up after the game.
KState media is not reporting on specific instance or providing any detail. Only broad accusations that Iowa state was cheating. Pollard’s response mentioned reviewing video etc., one would assume if KState offers specific detail (ie timing and where they thought those allegations occurred) we would provide video, much like the Iowa band situation.
