Williams & Blum: UConn and the Big 12? ISU adds at DT via the portal

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I thought you made some real interesting comments regarding NIL and people already on the team vs. guys being brought in via transfer. NOT ISU specifically, but in general. It's a wild concept.

I can see how a player would feel. On the team. Doing everything right. Now a transfer is recruited for my position... same class as me. Even without NIL that caused friction I am sure.

Anyway... it's now no different than the pro leagues. If you are a starting running back and your team drafts one... I'd imagine it's a similar feeling.

Prior to NIL and free transfer rules... EVERY player on any college team KNEW that their coach/team had to recruit players at their position. They were the younger generation of players and unless they were undeniably better than you, you had your position and they had to wait their turn. Not that way anymore. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on that.
Thanks for the great feedback. Honestly this “intangible” portion of NIL is one of our biggest focuses. We know we can’t outspend the “big dogs” but if we can align our NIL allocations with the culture of Iowa State, we can hopefully add more value than just the dollars and cents. Behind the scenes, we are trying to be a positive part of the Cyclone experience and something the players enjoy being a part of in interacting with fans and non-profits. We are very much pro culture and anti drama that other high spending collectives are dealing with.
 

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I view uconn as a bit different due to the fact they were in the old big east when it was a bcs conference and made a fiesta bowl towards the end of that conferences run. Combine that with their stellar basketball resume and they're a decent add
The problem with UConn is that the B12 prematurely and unnecessarily expanded with Houston and UCF. Too late now to kick both out in favor of better alternatives in UConn and San Diego St.

And it is also highly unfortunate that commuter/directional schools like Houston and UCF will be unnecessarily elevated at the potential expense of Oregon St and Wazzu.

And I hope like hell the B12's only near term expansion involves PAC schools only. UH and UCF are unnecessary extra mouths to feed and the conference doesn't need any more existing G5 schools or BB only schools.
 

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Regarding podcast discussion on transfers, I would like to correct one error. An undergrad kid can transfer twice. The second time he has to sit out a year.
 
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I just got done listening to the podcast and I honestly can’t even remember hearing much of any swearing at all.

Some people are so weird about such things. Keep on doing what you’re doing CW. If you clean up Two Guys Named Chris …. I probably wouldn’t listen anymore. You and Chris have a lot of fun…. don’t make it boring please.

This. I’m racking my brain trying to remember any swearing at all. Maybe I’m just numb to it in life now…
 

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The problem with UConn is that the B12 prematurely and unnecessarily expanded with Houston and UCF. Too late now to kick both out in favor of better alternatives in UConn and San Diego St.

And it is also highly unfortunate that commuter/directional schools like Houston and UCF will be unnecessarily elevated at the potential expense of Oregon St and Wazzu.

And I hope like hell the B12's only near term expansion involves PAC schools only. UH and UCF are unnecessary extra mouths to feed and the conference doesn't need any more existing G5 schools or BB only schools.


lol, san diego state a 'better option'

Between UCF\Houston\OSU\WSU\SDSU, i think the big 12 has the best 2 options.

Houston has had considerable recent football and basketball success. The only thing they haven't had is membership in a major conference.

UCF is absolutely massive and is building a huge alumni base. Being elevated to a larger conference will do a lot for them. They're already drawing 40k+ for most of their games, which will likely grow in a more relevant conference. They're a worthy add as a growth investment.

San Diego State. They draw almost zero interest in a part of the country that doesn't even bother to care about its existing P5 teams.

Washington state? They were drawing crowds of 20k last season while playing in the pac 12.

Oregon State? Similar story. Under 30k\game last season. I love corvallis, have family there. Culturally its compatible with the big 12. But financially its far from a profitable move.
 
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lol, san diego state a 'better option'

Between UCF\Houston\OSU\WSU\SDSU, i think the big 12 has the best 2 options.

Houston has had considerable recent football and basketball success. The only thing they haven't had is membership in a major conference.

UCF is absolutely massive and is building a huge alumni base. Being elevated to a larger conference will do a lot for them. They're already drawing 40k+ for most of their games, which will likely grow in a more relevant conference. They're a worthy add as a growth investment.

San Diego State. They draw almost zero interest in a part of the country that doesn't even bother to care about its existing P5 teams.

Washington state? They were drawing crowds of 20k last season while playing in the pac 12.

Oregon State? Similar story. Under 30k\game last season. I love corvallis, have family there. Culturally its compatible with the big 12. But financially its far from a profitable move.
Both Houston and UCF have the same issue. The vast majority of their alums who watch CFB pay more attention to the flagship schools in the state (UT, aggy, UF, FSU). Oregon St and Wazzu alums don't.

ISU fans will find out why Houston sucks when they play their first FB game there. And as former Orlando resident Brent pointed out on a recent pod, UCF is a directional school whose campus has the appeal of a strip shopping mall.
 
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Both Houston and UCF have the same issue. The vast majority of their alums who watch CFB pay more attention to the flagship schools in the state (UT, aggy, UF, FSU). Oregon St and Wazzu alums don't.

And a big part of that is because the former schools have been relegated to irrelevant conferences.

OSU and WSU alums don't pay attention to other schools in the state, but by all indications, they don't pay attention to OSU\WSU sports either. That isn't going to improve in a much more lateral move to the big 12.
 

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And a big part of that is because the former schools have been relegated to irrelevant conferences.

OSU and WSU alums don't pay attention to other schools in the state, but by all indications, they don't pay attention to OSU\WSU sports either. That isn't going to improve in a much more lateral move to the big 12.
Houston used to be in the SWC and their alum base was indifferent back then and it won't change with B12 membership. The only reason they got in the B12 is Tilman Fertitta.

UCF does have an advantage with no NFL team in town but give it a few years and the rest of the B12 will realize they made a mistake expanding with them as well.
 
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Houston used to be in the SWC and their alum base was indifferent back then and it won't change with B12 membership. The only reason they got in the B12 is Tilman Fertitta.

UCF does have an advantage with no NFL team in town but give it a few years and the rest of the B12 will realize they made a mistake expanding with them as well.

And yet both of them are still vastly superior options to OSU\WSU\SDSU
 

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UConn is a con of a football team. Don't want or need them. BBall though is great to have. As Ted Nugent said "Take your poison baby".
 

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Gawd plz stop with the Memphis and UCONN nonsense. Can we give back a few of the recent adds while we’re at it?
 
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The problem with UConn is that the B12 prematurely and unnecessarily expanded with Houston and UCF. Too late now to kick both out in favor of better alternatives in UConn and San Diego St.

And it is also highly unfortunate that commuter/directional schools like Houston and UCF will be unnecessarily elevated at the potential expense of Oregon St and Wazzu.

And I hope like hell the B12's only near term expansion involves PAC schools only. UH and UCF are unnecessary extra mouths to feed and the conference doesn't need any more existing G5 schools or BB only schools.
Hindsight is so easy to criticize. At that moment, however, the B12 was on a lifeboat. That very move saved the conference. It's water under the bridge. Let's just leave that at woulda shoulda coulda. The strategy going forward is just that: a 'strategy'. And as such, it very likely follows a plan. Not a 'reactive' plan we faced when we lost OUT, but one which has foresight to maximize the B12 value.
 
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Oregon State? Similar story. Under 30k\game last season. I love corvallis, have family there. Culturally its compatible with the big 12. But financially its far from a profitable move.
I am not arguing on behalf of Oregon State, although I'd love to see them in the Big 12, but the entire west side of Reser Stadium was closed for renovations last year, half the stadium, so the 26K they drew was a bit misleading. They still only averaged about 35K in past years when the entire stadium was open for seating.
 

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I feel like the B12 is best off just sitting tight and seeing what happens to the P12 and ACC. There's no reason to add schools like UCONN or SDSU and definitely no reason to start looking at Boise and UNLV. We are fine at 12 for the time being. TV contracts are signed for 3 years...and we all know a lot can happen in that time. Just be ready to snap up specific P12 and ACC schools if those conferences fall apart.
 

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Adding UConn would be absolutely stupid.

In fact, I think the Big 12 should drop WV and get out of the NE U.S. altogether and go west and grab ASU, AZ, CO, and Utah if possible.

As for the podcasts, I don’t mind the swearing at all on these podcasts, kinda like some of it actually…. but for some reason I can’t stand when JorBo does it all the time on Iowa Everywhere. He just throws in a bunch of F words all the time for no reason.

CW and Hassell use profanity in a very fun way…. I like that!!
Jorbo is a mindless cusser, agreed.

Don't mind it on 2GNC, however one thing Hassell does the annoys the bejeezus out of me is the weird twangy, lispy redneck/hillbilly accent thing he does. Makes me want to mute the podcast instantly. I'm generally ok with Hassell though, he is probably my favorite Hawkeye media personality thanks to his affiliation with CW and Iowa Everywhere.