Big 12 Refs, Man... Technicals Out of Hand

Neptune78

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Looks like it was the same official who called both T's. Anyone know who it is? May need it for future reference, or if there is a pattern with the guy.

Also looks like the other two officials are confused about the whistle both times.
Who ever this ref is, he certainly must not have done our TCU game with all the jawing Lumpy did.
 

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The flop warning has gotten dumb too. I was watching Texas/TTU where they mentioned one is issued in about every game but neither announcer had seen them call a flop after that. Seems to me they just issue a warning as a matter of course towards the beginning then let it go after that. I also think the whole thing is way too subjective.
I'm pretty sure Jaz got a warning and the subsequent technical in a game earlier this year. It's silly sometimes how they will call a flop on a play with a heck of a lot of contact but then not call a flop when there is pretty much no contact a play or two later.
 
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The Morning Rush talked about this a little today. The reason you see refs like Higgins doing so many games right now is there is a shortage of officials. Travis said that JH has told him the average age of a D1 ref is like 56 so in the next 5-10 years when these guys start to retire if there are not more good refs that start getting into the profession now we may see a big drop off in quality and a noticeable shortage of refs at the HS and lower college levels because now those currently reffing at those levels are going to have to be elevated to the higher levels to fill the void. Basically we could have HS games getting postponed down the road because there are not enough refs available on a given night to cover all the games.

It's a bad situation, you hear that the reason a lot of people don't want to get into refereeing at the lower levels is because of the verbal abuse they take by nasty parents and coaches. Something to think about next time we are at kids sports games and someone is laying into an official. They are human too and are going to miss calls and make mistakes but we need people to get into officiating at those level to develop and possibly work their way up the ranks so we have quality replacements in the pipeline when the others quit or retire.
I don't believe this at all. At the lower levels there is a LEGIT shortage. There is NO shortage of people who want to work at the highest level. It's a good old boys club of the highest order. There are great officials out there, including many in Iowa, who never get a chance because they don't know or kiss ass to the right people or they don't have the right "look." Over the years it's become less and less about ability and it shows on the court.
 
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If those calls aren't made, it would led to anarchy. ANARCHY I tell you!!!

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This is somewhat related to technical fouls and showing emotion.... I think the real boss move after making a good play is to act like you've done it before, and you expect to do it again, thus requiring no cute little celebration.
 

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I don't believe this at all. At the lower levels there is a LEGIT shortage. There is NO shortage of people who want to work at the highest level. It's a good old boys club of the highest order. There are great officials out there, including many in Iowa, who never get a chance because they don't know or kiss ass to the right people or they don't have the right "look." Over the years it's become less and less about ability and it shows on the court.
It's twofold in my opinion. Parents and coaches have always been bad, but there's also a bigger sense of entitlement now than ever. I mean there are even stories about longtime high school coaches across the country who have quit because of how parents act and try to go above them to get their way. So treatment of officials definitely weighs into why roughly 80% of new officials only make it 2 years before quitting. Doesn't help that when you start you are usually doing the lowest level of basketball where the skill level isn't very good and the parents and coaches usually have the least knowledge about the rules of the game so scream about things even though they have never opened a rule book or payed attention to rule changes since their 6th grade glory days. That being said there is definitely a good 'ol boys club that you better hope you are a part of or know somebody that is a part of it if you want to climb the ladder. There are very good officials getting passed over even this year on some postseason games and even State games for guys that come nowhere near managing or calling a game as well as them all b/c they don't kiss the right person's ass so they can be in the club. Not sure how that changes b/c most that speak out against it get pushed even further back on the list. I've seen some new officials quickly escalated over other more veteran officials who are just as good or better all b/c they know the right guy. If this is happening at the high school level I guarantee it happens at the college level as well.
 
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I'm pretty sure Jaz got a warning and the subsequent technical in a game earlier this year. It's silly sometimes how they will call a flop on a play with a heck of a lot of contact but then not call a flop when there is pretty much no contact a play or two later.

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I don't disagree with what you are saying but the shortage of labor excuse is getting worn out.

I know, that's the 1 thing that I think really has screwed things up the past 2 years during the pandemic is it has given people more leverage to do sub-par work or stick with something long enough to get good at it if they don't like something about it. "Don't like the quality of my work? Well good luck finding help to replace me" seems to be the mindset of too many these days. Just look at how difficult it has been to staff retail, restaurant, and hospitality jobs now let alone be able to hire and keep people that will actually do a good job. It was maybe 3 years ago or so that you saw McDonald's workers walking out and protesting over wanting $15/hour and now most fast food places are hiring for that or more and still can't get enough help. I hear of people saying they will quit their jobs if they are asked to work in the office again when just 2 years ago working from home was not even an option before the pandemic. Just getting the ability to work from home around 50% of the time going forward when it was not even an option previously apparently is not good enough for some it seems.

I know I have gotten frustrated at work in the past couple years that they removed most of our feedback channels where we could provide information to groups that sent work over to us that have the resources and knowledge to do the work themselves without escalation or incorrectly routed something to us that was not in scope of the work we do. Certain management appears to be more worried more about volume and time analytics than they are developing employees that do quality work by using that feedback from mistakes made to coach them up a little to not continue to make the same mistakes going forward. Kind of see the same thing going on with officiating over the years too, they don't want to run a bunch off if they tried to make them more accountable for their performance. It's frustrating to me because if I mess up I own up to my mistakes and not take offense if my management brings it to my attention to correct it or work on something so I don't repeat the same mistake. It's almost as if some people are scared to hold someone accountable for their performance because they think just passing the issues on down the line for someone else to deal with is easier than confronting and correcting what is wrong.
 
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I don't believe this at all. At the lower levels there is a LEGIT shortage. There is NO shortage of people who want to work at the highest level. It's a good old boys club of the highest order. There are great officials out there, including many in Iowa, who never get a chance because they don't know or kiss ass to the right people or they don't have the right "look." Over the years it's become less and less about ability and it shows on the court.

I think the point was more that if we continue to have a shortage at the lower levels when these "gold old boys" retire or quit its going to be worse than it is now. For instance you may hate to see the same guys officiating games all the times but you are familiar enough with them you at least know what to expect.
 

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I'm pretty sure Jaz got a warning and the subsequent technical in a game earlier this year. It's silly sometimes how they will call a flop on a play with a heck of a lot of contact but then not call a flop when there is pretty much no contact a play or two later.
If a players ass hits the floor it has to be charge, block, or flop. Can someone explain how they can not blow the whistle when ass hits the floor?
 

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There is no such thing as BIG 12 refs in basketball, no conference has their own refs in basketball.

This is semantics.

The same refs are hired over and over, yes they aren’t exclusive to B12 but there is generally a group doing most b12 games.

I wish you were right and we’d have only seen Higgins 10 times over ten years instead of a crapload of our b12 games.

If someone freelances for a company half of their employed hours for a decade it’s very dishonest/misleading to say they don’t work for that employer. They do work for that employer.