I don't think a crystal clear path will be known for quite a while.
The Big 12 AD meeting Thursday night
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People understimate the politics of academic equation in this...The billions that go into research etc and the inner conference partenerships dwarf athletics...
ISU has 2 really good things going for it...AAU status....IVY college of business growth. Ivy college is a Top 50 business school now and ISU has and is pouring a ton of $$ into growing it.
This is only going to help ISU.
ISU has 2 really good things going for it...AAU status....IVY college of business growth. Ivy college is a Top 50 business school now and ISU has and is pouring a ton of $$ into growing it.
This is only going to help ISU.
That was my point. Someone said the big league would not have enough fans if the left-behind school fans didn't follow.
But if the national rate was high enough to offset the in state footprint it doesn't matter as much. I don't know how they are calculated it would be interesting to know.
One mistake people are saying is that ISU needs to bring 55-60 million more to a league. Not necessarily, we are pulling 40 MM now and all P5 deals usually start at reduced rates, so all we need to prove is that we can pay for ourselves now, so 35-40 MM or whatever we would receive.
The headline pretty much summarizes it. A Big 12 AD was anonymously quoted as feeling blindsided and is pissed at Texas and disappointed in OU.
A bunch of different scenarios were discussed but this AD was quoted as saying taking AAC schools like Cincy and UCF don't add eyeballs and there is no real reason to add them. Right now the remaining 8 schools met and said they would like to stay together, but are planning for an alternate future.
Also said that the AAC would like to poach the remaining Big 12 schools but it would be more likely that some AAC teams would jump to the Big 12 if it were to stay intact. Also interesting is the Big 12 would maintain it's status as an Autonomy 5 conference even if they lost two members.
Pac-12 is the best option that is in the realm of possibility. JP will be going all-in on P12, because he knows this. If not, it’s relegation.
Report: Kansas, Iowa State Set Up Call With Big Ten
As the Big 12 implodes with Texas and Oklahoma’s departure, Kansas and Iowa State have set up call with the Big Ten for conference realignment plans.www.nbcchicago.com
Nothing would be better for ISU!
BUT, If ISU gets in the B1G is looking to expand big with AAU/academic schools from KU, ISU, Colorado as a bridge to 4-6 more PAC schools. Then down the line make a play for VA & NC. They will also make a play for ND whether VA or NC come or not. We are talking a league of more like 24-32.
I wouldn't put a high probability on it at this point.
Part of me wonders if the NFL is involved in this. They need a farm system and right now there's is imploding. Unless of course we think that only NFL players will come from the SEC now?
Why in the world would PAC 12 be better than B1G?
Are you assuming no chance for B1G?
If the SEC is looking to expand and grab all of the superpowers they can, why wouldn't the B1G try and counter that? That seems like where this whole thing is headed
Because by folding ACC teams into the SEC and Big10 then Disney gets out of having to fund the ACC Network.
The reality is if there are 2-3 super conferences, then those 30-40 teams drastically increase their media rights payouts.
For Disney & Fox they could potentially lower their over rights fees paid, plus they can potentially increase TV ratings and advertising revenue by mainly having solid games. Do the TV Networks see value in a TCU v K-State or Duke vs Clemson game?
In the end ESPN really needs about 10-12 games each Saturday to televise.
ESPN- 3 games:12p-10:30p EST.
ESPN2- 3 games:12p-10:30p
ESPNU- 3-4 games.
ABC - 1 game: 8p EST
Your missing the point of a larger league though. What they need more than those games are fans interested to watch the games.
The KSU, TCU, Duke, whatever lower tier school fan will watch the big time games from their division/conference/league because they are part of it and have a vested interest in those outcome.
If you cut out the fan bases of those lower tier schools you lose some of those eyeballs on your marque games.
TBH, ISU to the Big10 is better than UT and OU staying at this point. Even if there is a change and they stay, the damage has been done and the TV contracts aren't getting any better. Stability and an academic conference would be the best for ISU. But I still believe the chance of that happening is very low.
Does anyone have any links to some of the other B12 boards or know what they are saying? Bet Tech, OSU, and TCU fans are really pissed. Always liked Tech and OSU fans on here.
Sure what you say is true, but remember under the old system the whole idea was to get into states that did not have a Big 10 team to capture that market and be able to charge them. That is why adding Rutgers and Maryland made financial since. That has now changed, what is important now and going forward is size of the fan base, and butts in the seats, that is a good indicator of how many people will purchase the content that is streamed.
One of the biggest drawbacks of bringing ISU into the Big 10 was just that fact, they was already a team here, so no new viewers would be added, but now that concept is dying and being replaced because of streaming. Last full year of attendence 2019, ISU was 21st nationally, we were behind EIU which was 20th, that would have been good for 8th place in the league. So 6 other teams in the league had less fans at the games then we did. Since we expanded the stadium 5 years ago, our attendence was in the top 30 every year but one.
This idea by EIU fans that ISU brings nothing to the table is a myth, we are an AAU school, we have a fine history in both men's and woman's bb, plus the same in wrestling. We have an up and coming football team coming off the best season in school history finishing in 9th place in final polls. We have spent and continue to spend 10's of millions up rebuild and up date our facilities.
ISU is not the red haired step child that EIU fans continue to press that we are, and if they do not see that, I am sure that the Pac 12 will. Their arrogance will be their undoing, they will make a play for the better Pac 12 schools, which those schools will turn down to try and add the left over Big 12 schools and rebadge the TV network and make another go at it. The SEC will soon be pumping 70 to 80 million into the coffers of each member schools atheletic department and before long, Ohio St, Michigan and Penn. State will be wondering if they should also not get in on the money train and form a new super conference with the SEC, a few ACC teams and a few Pac 12 teams.
Report: Kansas, Iowa State Set Up Call With Big Ten
As the Big 12 implodes with Texas and Oklahoma’s departure, Kansas and Iowa State have set up call with the Big Ten for conference realignment plans.
www.nbcchicago.com
So Fox and the B1G could force BTN into the regular cable tier for every subscriber in NY and NJ, and rake in $$$.
That's the only reason for Rutgers and Maryland (VA/MD/DC).
